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Breaking Bad - Season 4

The idea that union mandated breaks run shooting on sets up to twelve, fourteen hours rather than the other problems is inded pure stoogery.

Of course they're not the only thing that causes shooting days to last as long as you've indicated. I said as much in my initial response to you, which you summarily ignored except for the union remark. But, feel free to set up your straw-man. Actually, I'm quite happy with the rules unions have managed to have set down and followed in Hollywood. But they, among with many other factors, can and do stretch out the day.
 
Hmm I wonder why Gus killed him. Because he failed to get to Gail in time before Jesse shot him? Or because he tried to finish the batch himself? Or because he was seen at the crime scene? Or as a scare tactic for Jesse and Walter?

All in all, not a whole lot happened in this episode but I was very intrigued and the hour flew by pretty fast! So far so good.
 
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Hmm I wonder why Gus killed him. Because he failed to get to Gail in time before Jesse shot him? Or because he tried to finish the batch himself? Or because he was scene at the crime scene? Or as a scare tactic for Jesse and Walter?

All in all, not a whole lot happened in this episode but I was very intrigued and the hour flew by pretty fast! So far so good.

It was clear to me that he killed him because he was seen by the witnesses at the crime scene. And secondly to make an example out of him for being stupid and careless.
 
Hmm I wonder why Gus killed him. Because he failed to get to Gail in time before Jesse shot him? Or because he tried to finish the batch himself? Or because he was scene at the crime scene? Or as a scare tactic for Jesse and Walter?

All in all, not a whole lot happened in this episode but I was very intrigued and the hour flew by pretty fast! So far so good.
Probably a number of those factors. Primarily, there was failure, & someone had to pay. Mike was in charge of bring in Walt, & did, so who else in the room was responsible? In all of Walt's blithering, he made on thing clear, none of his product without him, & none of him without Jesse. Jesse was smart to wait at the scene to be picked up. Had he run, he'd be dead, & there'd be nothing for Walt to do but cook or die

Secondly, Victor was seen at the scene, which is no small point, as Mike was pointed about asking specifically that. That someone had to pay was no surprise to me, & that it ended up being Victor was rather elementary too, once I saw them all waiting together at the lab. In fact, the reason Victor was scrambling to do the batch himself was because he knew he was in Dutch. Desperate acts

No, what made the episode great was what DID surprise me... their reactions. Someone had to pay, but lessons needed to be learned also. Walt looked sickened & repulsed, like he might puke. I found that surprising, since he is the guy who's been doing most of the killing thus far. I had thought he was becoming a badass. Now I have pause

Mike pulled his gun like he had some kind of knee jerk ex-cop reaction, & then stopped himself. Gus had the steely eyed resolution of a man who had a point to make. "These are the rules"

And Jesse shocked me the most. He stared down Gus looking furious, & Gus saw it. That I did not expect from the guy who has yet to work up the nerve to kill anyone until Gale. Make no bones about it. The worm has definitely turned for what has to be the best characters on television

When they finally end this show, I'm really starting to believe that Hank will be the one to kill Walt. I Could easily be wrong though
 
Oh my God! Gus is one ruthless son of bitch and the way he stared directly in Walter and Jesse's eyes when he killed Victor was just plain COLD.

I'm very worried about Jesse based on the way he stared back at Gus as Victor was dying and the way he was with Walt at Denny's.

I think Gus is going to die at some point this season. I don't expect him to be around all season but if the showrunners find a clever way to keep this character going all season, I look forward to it. I wish the next episode of Breaking Bad was just around the corner.

Speaking on Walt's fate, I have always this image of Marie killing Walt for what happened to Hank among other things.
 
Brutal stuff. I enjoyed how they created a real moment of uncertainty there, I mean obviously Gus couldn't just kill off Walt and Jesse and have nobody to cook but for a minute there, it really seemed like he was going to.

Walt did not go quietly and neither will Gus, apparently.
 
I wasn't overly impressed by the season premiere. It was pretty engaging, but at the same time, it felt like there was a lot of stalling and wheel-spinning. I suspected last year that Walt would take down Gus and become the new kingpin and I'd like to see them move forward with that without too much padding, if that is indeed where they're going.

Other stuff...

- Were Bob Odenkirk and Giancarlo Esposito were added to the main credits? I seem to remember them being guests before now.

- Anna Gunn's appearance looks to have changed a bit during the hiatus.

- We went almost an entire episode without Jesse saying anything.

- They found time for Hank and they effectively showed us how undignified a position he's in (no pun intended).

- That shot of the lab notes folder in Gale's apartment was a real "oh shit!" moment.
 
I'm afraid I never had any thought that Fring was going to do anything but kill Victor. When Mike asked if he did a sweep (for stuff like the lab notes) and if he was seen, I figured he was dead. The misdirect with Victor starting the cook was nicely used to show how Walt's confidence wilted. His rationalizing Gale's death was pure Walt. The contrast between Jesse' genuine remorse at Gale's death and his anger at Fring's muder of Victor and Walt's fear and revulsion beautifully showcased the nature of Walt's weakness I thought. If you invested in these characters, the face acting as events unfolded compensated the lack of tension. But in the end it was just about the murder of Victor, which isn't particularly entertaining in itself. (I hope.)

[Earlier I wrote "on set." True, this is the fourth time, but we're now complaining how people "summarily ignored" parts of posts. I find that a particularly brazen complaint, given that "on set" (yes! the fifth time I've written it!) somehow gets gobbleygook about moving places.]
 
I knew Victor was toast as soon as Mike asked whether he'd been seen at the crime scene. Of course, elementary redshirt principles also came into play, since he's the only insignificant person on hand.

Strong premiere, as usual.

I thought Skyler's reaction to Walt's absence was a little over the top. I can see making a few calls, but breaking into his apartment? He was only gone for a couple of hours, and she knows his business works odd hours.
 
Maybe it just shows that, deep down, Skylar is still in love with Walt and I just think it's a matter of time before she and Walt go back to living under the same roof.
 
Earlier I wrote "on set." True, this is the fourth time, but we're now complaining how people "summarily ignored" parts of posts. I find that a particularly brazen complaint, given that "on set" (yes! the fifth time I've written it!) somehow gets gobbleygook about moving places.

I've seen it every time you've posted it, thanks. A quick use of Google might have informed you that "on set" is used pretty interchangeably during production to refer to being at the site of filming, whether it be a location or a sound stage. I was understandably confused. However, you did notice that I didn't bring up moving from location to location again after you clarified your terms, didn't you?

What's funny is that you accuse me of being a "company man," yet you're the one who is taking the studio position -- that TV shows take too long, and therefore cost too much, to produce.

Two of the things I really enjoyed from "Box Cutter," in fact, were those long tracking shots photographed from directly overhead, which filled the proceedings with a lot more dread, and those extreme close-ups, almost abstract in their look, of the blood flowing on the floor. And all I could think about during those instances was how they would be the first thing I would cut if I wanted to shrink the production schedule.

If you'd like to see what kind of television more "efficient" management produces, watch any number of television shows that were produced by Universal's television division when they were first taken over by MCA in 1958. I suppose if you don't mind unimaginative cinematography and every "location" being on the backlot, then it might not be so bad. But to my eyes, those productions are formulaic and boring as hell.

Of course, if you want to propose that a program like Breaking Bad could continue its current level of quality with that kind of management, I don't buy your premise. You seem to be operating under the assumption that when production goes over-schedule into 13, 14, 15, even 16-hour days, it's because the people in charge are just diddling around. That's just not the case.

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In regards to the season premiere, I thought it was terrific. The way the camera lingered on Victor, it was pretty evident that he was doomed once he let himself be seen at the crime scene, but the means of his death were still quite shocking, not to mention violent. I'm surprised that amount of blood is allowed outside of Premium Cable.

Really, the only thing that bothered me (and it's almost completely trivial) was Anna Gunn's appearance. Obviously, a year has occurred between production of "Full Measure" and "Box Cutter," but it makes it a little harder to suspend my disbelief that the two episodes occur mere hours apart when a performer's appearance changes. One columnist speculated that she had cosmetic surgery over the hiatus, and I thought she was either recently pregnant (the internet disproved that) or had just gained a little weight. Whatever it is, something looked a little "off," for lack of a better word. Of course, a quick trip to IMDB has people complaining about her change in appearance between seasons two and three, something I didn't even notice, so maybe it's nothing.
 
I noticed that too, but eh what can you do? Continuity is a very hard thing to get around, especially between seasons.
 
I noticed that too, but eh what can you do? Continuity is a very hard thing to get around, especially between seasons.

Certainly -- especially with the longer than usual hiatus (although that may only have applied to when the episodes were aired, not when they were filmed). Still, that doesn't mean the problem isn't there.
 
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