Substitute "Rescue" for "Warfare"?
Brainstorm - Starfleet Marines (alittle different)
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Substitute "Rescue" for "Warfare"?
I thought that was Marine or Military
Special Ground Defense Force Support Operations.
Or Tactical.
Marines developed for special environmental zones to be deployed from ships. That their role has expanded doesn't change the nature of their special operational duties.
Well, the closest to an official name for the "Starship Service" is a variation on the Deep Space Exploration Corps, Deep Space Corps or Exploratory Division?
Marine units are known as "expeditionary units", so maybe the top-level "military" unit is the Starfleet Expeditionary Division or maybe the Defense Division (the name given to Andorian Imperial Guards transferred to Starfleet service in the "First Splinter" timeline (aka TrekLit)?)
Marine units are known as "expeditionary units", so maybe the top-level "military" unit is the Starfleet Expeditionary Division or maybe the Defense Division (the name given to Andorian Imperial Guards transferred to Starfleet service in the "First Splinter" timeline (aka TrekLit)?)
I thought that was Marine or Military
"Marine" isn't exactly a bad word. I 100% plan to use "Marine", just not as the name of the organization. There are flat out "Marines" in that exact wording in the service, it's just not named after them.
The moratorium on "Marines" was just because it's always "Marine Corps" and I wanted to do something different with it.
I keep going back to something in the vein of this. I threw some questions at ChatGPT. I'm thinking of going back more towards my original thinking, keeping it more simple.
I think i'm comfortable with "Strategic Operations Service". I even like that it comes out to SOS, but I don't know if i'd really use it or not. It's vague enough, but still gets the idea across.
Vanguard?
Vanguard Operations Forces?
Vanguard Operations Military Intelligence Taskforce?
Vanguard Operations Forces?
Vanguard Operations Military Intelligence Taskforce?
I had not through of Vanguard before... but I kind of like it.
I've also been overlooking "Expeditionary". The only reason I hesitate on that is that i'm trying to use Prime canon stuff when possible, and the Vulcan's home fleet has been established as the "Vulcan Expeditionary Fleet". It doesn't actually matter if there two, separate, similarly named things... I just was kind of sleeping on it.
"Starfleet Expeditionary Forces" kind of has a ring to it. I don't hate it.
Hell, maybe the "Starfleet Expeditionary Vanguard"... it's different.
Multi Enviromental Strategic Response Force.
(Starfleet) Expeditionary Guard?
Special Operations Service?
Special Operations Service?
I love it... someone came with a similar acronym earlier. I love it not as the total name of the thing, but 100% a joint force with the Klingons at some point.
Keep the idea coming, but I think I actually really like "Starfleet Expeditionary... something or other... Force/Service/Whatever" now.
Expeditionary was hiding under my nose the entire time. It works perfectly. It 100% has a military connotation, but it can absolutely refer to other things. It sticks with the whole Starfleet exploration thing... "Guys, it's totally not a Marine Corps, it's an Expeditionary Force. To go on... Expeditions..."
Expeditionary was hiding under my nose the entire time. It works perfectly. It 100% has a military connotation, but it can absolutely refer to other things. It sticks with the whole Starfleet exploration thing... "Guys, it's totally not a Marine Corps, it's an Expeditionary Force. To go on... Expeditions..."
Should I tell you that the USMC has Expeditionary Forces?
Should I tell you that the USMC has Expeditionary Forces?
This isn't mean to be totally 100% anti-military. It's quite literally trying to be a more militaristic arm of Starfleet, but also not just a carbon copy of USMC in space.
Not wanting to use "Marine" in the name is more a stylistic/aesthetic choice. Again, the organization HAS Marines. It's mostly made up of Marines.
I just didn't like "Marine Corps" for the name, and wanted to shiffle around some of the nomenclature partly out of just personal taste, partly to try to make it just a bit different from other takes. Like there's no particular reason we can't use "Private" for a rank. I just don't think it sounds Star Trekish.
'Twas a joke, my friend, nothing more. Hence the wink emoji.
I am more curious as to, in the name of this thought experiment, sounds "Trekish." We have Crewman, so you could have Troopman, or Guardsman, but I guess I find the whole "Trekish" thing curious since we have use of US NAVY lingo across the board, especially in TOS. So, I want to respect the limits put down but they feel very arbitrary at times.
And I'll go back to this idea too.
Starfleet Expeditionary Guard Service.
I've always liked the name 'Starfleet Marines'. Simple, logical, efficient.
I envision them as just another Starfleet division. I mean, we have command, operations, and sciences...Marines would be just another one of those. They may have a different division color (in my headcanon: BLACK in the TOS era, LIGHT GRAY in TNG and further on), and of course a different rank structure, but they are still Starfleet, and would possibly be rather hurt if they were ever called a separate force.
(Remember, in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", Kirk said that Starfleet was "a combined service"... )
As for the officer ranks: I see them as having eliminated the rank of Marine Captain (so as not to be confused with the naval rank), moving the two Lieutenant grades up (so you would go straight from 1st Lieutenant to Major), and adding a new rank - "sublieutenant", maybe? - as their equivalent of Ensign.
Edit: I am fairly sure that in ST V, the guys in the dark blue turtlenecks who accompany Kirk and crew to Nimbus III were intended to be Starfleet Marines. So if you'd seen those dudes in their normal Monster Maroons, the division color would be dark blue.
I envision them as just another Starfleet division. I mean, we have command, operations, and sciences...Marines would be just another one of those. They may have a different division color (in my headcanon: BLACK in the TOS era, LIGHT GRAY in TNG and further on), and of course a different rank structure, but they are still Starfleet, and would possibly be rather hurt if they were ever called a separate force.
(Remember, in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", Kirk said that Starfleet was "a combined service"...
)As for the officer ranks: I see them as having eliminated the rank of Marine Captain (so as not to be confused with the naval rank), moving the two Lieutenant grades up (so you would go straight from 1st Lieutenant to Major), and adding a new rank - "sublieutenant", maybe? - as their equivalent of Ensign.
Edit: I am fairly sure that in ST V, the guys in the dark blue turtlenecks who accompany Kirk and crew to Nimbus III were intended to be Starfleet Marines. So if you'd seen those dudes in their normal Monster Maroons, the division color would be dark blue.
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Cornet was also proposed earlier on, but sub-lieutenant has been used before as well in Earth militaries. Also, could be seen as a nod to Vulcans own organized forces.
ETA: Here's a fan combat uniform that I have always liked in terms of style, not necessarily color.
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You also have colonel West from ST 6 as well.
Could keep ensign then move up to Lt LG Lt major Lt Col then Colonel then General.
Just call them Marines instead of crewman or X FORCE!
Could keep ensign then move up to Lt LG Lt major Lt Col then Colonel then General.
Just call them Marines instead of crewman or X FORCE!
But very much sending the wrong message when viewed in the context of the hyper-militaristic nature of the modern US Marine Corps, which most if not all versions of the "Starfleet Marines" are based on.
(Remember, in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", Kirk said that Starfleet was "a combined service"...
Then they're Special Ops, not Marines, at least in the US sense often used (the British Royal Marines are "just another division" but more analogus to NAVSOC otherwise).
Given the existence of Second Lieutenant, it would be Third Lieutenant not sub-lieutenant mostly likely.
A specialist strike force certainly. But whether they were NAVSOC analogues or members of a separate Marine service is uncertain.
In Star Trek Enterprise, there was a branch of United Earth Governments that acted similar to Marines - the Military Assault Command Operations - or MACO. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Military_Assault_Command_Operations
In the Star Trek Hunter trek-verse, I maintained the old nation states as members of United Earth Governments (along with member colonies), each of which maintain military forces for homeworld and homeland defense. All of these forces are under the auspices of the United Earth Governments, which, in turn, is a founding member of the Federation.
So when Marines are needed, they are actually United States Marines (which developed an elite space-bound division known as the Space Hounds). Several stories in the Star Beagle Adventures series feature the Space Hounds, who wear a beagle patch on their uniforms as an identifier.
Thanks!! rbs
In the Star Trek Hunter trek-verse, I maintained the old nation states as members of United Earth Governments (along with member colonies), each of which maintain military forces for homeworld and homeland defense. All of these forces are under the auspices of the United Earth Governments, which, in turn, is a founding member of the Federation.
So when Marines are needed, they are actually United States Marines (which developed an elite space-bound division known as the Space Hounds). Several stories in the Star Beagle Adventures series feature the Space Hounds, who wear a beagle patch on their uniforms as an identifier.
Thanks!! rbs
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