Braga is, it seems, STILL an idiot!

[TheGodBen]

As such Moore was not a team player on that show and was asked to leave.

Do you have a source for this?

Interviews with Moore himself have been posted all over this BBS. I am sure he said it was a "mutual decision", but that information came from his own interview.

His interviews don't say it was a mutual decision, his interviews make it quite clear that it was his decision to quit because he didn't enjoy the working environment. This was due to feeling like his suggestions were being ignored, his dislike of his script having needless technobabble added to it, and a general dislike of Voyager's lack on continuity. He also felt like Braga had betrayed him in some sense but I'm not sure what that was about, some think it had to do with Braga hiding the fact that B&B were already planning Enterprise without telling him.

On his last day he was given a gift of a real bat'leth that the prop department made for him. I know of nobody who was fired and then given a gift for it.

 

[Mach5]

I'm pretty sure this was already posted somewhere on the boards, but what the hell...
From Wikipedia:

When Star Trek: Deep Space Nine ended in 1999, Moore transferred over to the creative staff of Voyager as a co-executive producer, but quickly departed citing problems working with his old writing partner, Braga:

"I have very hurt feelings about Brannon. What happened between he and I is just between he and I. It was a breakdown of trust. I would have quit any show where I was not allowed to participate in the process like that. I wasn’t allowed to participate in the process, and I wasn’t part of the show. I felt like I was freelancing my own show. ... I was very disappointed that my long-time friend and writing partner acted in that manner, that crossed lines to the point where I felt like I had to walk away from STAR TREK, which was something that meant a lot to me for a very long time, from my childhood right through my entire professional career."

 

[Dukhat]

Last night, I thought things in here were actually settling down. Dopey me.

You made some good points earlier, but I'm afraid that you're 100% wrong in your above statement.

Everyone, please... stuff like this isn't helping.

Stop with the veiled insults, and passing judgment on other posters' personal opinions, and telling each other how to think or feel or deal with this issue, which is still obviously a sore spot with some folks.

Step back and give each other a little room to breathe. Okay?

Huh? If someone posts information that I know for a fact isn't true, I'm going to call them on it. It's not like I insulted the guy. I just said he was wrong, and explained why.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Are you referring to this post? (I'm only guessing.)

If so, the quoted poster made quite clear that he was offering a theory, a guess, a personal opinion. Your reply, though it did not cite any sources, interviews, or personal conversations with Berman, Braga, ST staff or Moonves, said the poster's opinion was "100% wrong." Given the context, and the lack of cited evidence, your wording seemed a bit harsh.

A lot of people in this thread appear to know something of went on all those years ago, but some accounts seem to be contradicting each other. Those of us who are not in the know, and did not have access to interviews and such, may find it difficult to distinguish facts from hearsay. More cited sources would be useful to the discussion, if they can be provided.

 

[number6]

His interviews don't say it was a mutual decision, his interviews make it quite clear that it was his decision to quit because he didn't enjoy the working environment. This was due to feeling like his suggestions were being ignored, his dislike of his script having needless technobabble added to it, and a general dislike of Voyager's lack on continuity. He also felt like Braga had betrayed him in some sense but I'm not sure what that was about, some think it had to do with Braga hiding the fact that B&B were already planning Enterprise without telling him.

On his last day he was given a gift of a real bat'leth that the prop department made for him. I know of nobody who was fired and then given a gift for it.

I never said that Moore was fired. Braga and Moore had irreconcilable differences. That's why he left.

I'm pretty sure this was already posted somewhere on the boards, but what the hell...
From Wikipedia:

When Star Trek: Deep Space Nine ended in 1999, Moore transferred over to the creative staff of Voyager as a co-executive producer, but quickly departed citing problems working with his old writing partner, Braga:

"I have very hurt feelings about Brannon. What happened between he and I is just between he and I. It was a breakdown of trust. I would have quit any show where I was not allowed to participate in the process like that. I wasn’t allowed to participate in the process, and I wasn’t part of the show. I felt like I was freelancing my own show. ... I was very disappointed that my long-time friend and writing partner acted in that manner, that crossed lines to the point where I felt like I had to walk away from STAR TREK, which was something that meant a lot to me for a very long time, from my childhood right through my entire professional career."

The point is that the bitterness was VERY one sided. Braga never expressed any ill will toward Moore, who judging from the passages you two quoted had problems with just being a staff writer. I wish I could remember where I heard that information right now, becuase I have read those quotes time and time again and it's really easy to draw the wrong conclusion when you only know the one side of the story.

Which brings us back to the original post.. about Braga:

People wonder why he is still talking about TATV. It is because people keep asking him about it.

It's like Shatner not being in Trex XI. I don't think people would keep accusing him of being bitter about not being asked, if they didn't keep asking him.

That being said.. I don't really think there is anything more that can be added to this, except to say that the Braga Bashing is pretty old.

 

[gblews]

Seems to me that from the interviews of Brannon's I've read in the years since Ent's demise, that he is moving closer and closer to telling us just what an inappropriate series finale TaTV was. Makes me interested in reading what he has to say about it in another 2 years or so.

 

[Starbreaker]

You obviously didn't even read the article.

 

[gblews]

You obviously didn't even read the article.

Yes, I did read the article. Care to explain what you're eyerolling about?

 

[joncreed]

The only way Braga can redeem himself in my eyes is if he gets together with Manny and come up with a REAL ending for "Enterprise," a direct to DVD movie or 2 hour flick for Sci-Fi. The worst Paramount can say is no.

BUT that has about as much chance of happening as the Detroit Lions have winning the Super Bowl next year!

 

[Mach5]

Well, since they're both on Fox, running a successful (piece of crap) TV show, there's a bigger chance that Chelsea will win the Champions League this year

 

[trekkerguy]

How about you "smart guys" who are sniggering actually DEFEND those choices Braga made that pissed everyone off?

Nothing to defend. It only feeds your fire.

I liked the show and it's conclusion, you didn't.


The End.

Uh no...I liked the show and liked it even MORE once B&B stepped back from it (Season 4) and hated the FINALE that B&B forced on them.

Get your facts straight.

Well you either read that wrong or I wasn't clear enough.

I know we both liked the show.
What I mean is I also liked the conclusion.
You didn't.

You obviously didn't even read the article.

Yes, I did read the article. Care to explain what you're eyerolling about?

Because this was about half the article...

Looking back, Star Trek: Enterprise's Brannon Braga realizes that the ending of the four-year series was less than satisfying.
As reported by iFMagazine, Star Trek: Enterprise's ending did not meet expectations for Braga. "I think that final, final episode, I may be understating it when I’m saying it didn't turn out as well as I hoped," he said. "I think the intentions behind it sent a valentine to all the 'Star Trek' shows and a very genuine heartfelt one, because we knew 'Star Trek' would be off television for a long, long time, but it was kind of a lackluster story." If Braga had to do the ending over again, he wouldn't know exactly what to do. "I don't know [what I would have done,] because at the time I thought it was very cool, it was only when it came out, I realized, 'this isn't quite working.' That happens. I don't know what I would have done honestly. I think I might have just ended 'Enterprise.'

 

[Cyke101]

Well, since they're both on Fox, running a successful (piece of crap) TV show, there's a bigger chance that Chelsea will win the Champions League this year

I'm very dissatisfied with Voyager and even moreso with Enterprise, and I blame Braga for a lot of things that went wrong with Modern Trek. But darnit all, "24" under Coto and Braga has been a great ride thus far.

 

[Mach5]

Well, since they're both on Fox, running a successful (piece of crap) TV show, there's a bigger chance that Chelsea will win the Champions League this year

I'm very dissatisfied with Voyager and even moreso with Enterprise, and I blame Braga for a lot of things that went wrong with Modern Trek. But darnit all, "24" under Coto and Braga has been a great ride thus far.

"24" is fun, sure, but when it comes to realism, let's just say that "Enterprise-A reaching the God-creature at the galactic core in no time" makes more sense than 90% of anything that happens on that show. And Jack Bauer is a fascist.

 

[Cyke101]

Well, since they're both on Fox, running a successful (piece of crap) TV show, there's a bigger chance that Chelsea will win the Champions League this year

I'm very dissatisfied with Voyager and even moreso with Enterprise, and I blame Braga for a lot of things that went wrong with Modern Trek. But darnit all, "24" under Coto and Braga has been a great ride thus far.

"24" is fun, sure, but when it comes to realism, let's just say that "Enterprise-A reaching the God-creature at the galactic core in no time" makes more sense than 90% of anything that happens on that show.

Are we really discussing realism when it comes to television to try and prove a point? Especially Fox and Star Trek? Come on now, that's as futile as resisting the Borg. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to Lord of the Rings and Burn Notice.

And Jack Bauer is a fascist.

Yeah, but he keeps defending characters on all sides of the spectrum regardless of his political beliefs, so he's cool to me.

 

[Starbreaker]

You obviously didn't even read the article.

Yes, I did read the article. Care to explain what you're eyerolling about?

Thought I quoted. Wasn't talking to you.

 

[commodore64]

As I recall, someone claimed on a previous TATV bashing thread that Frakes tried to warn Braga about it. True or not, it shouldn't have been necessary.

I've never heard this, but understood some of the actors were displeased (I'm not sure whether they told Braga or not) and that some of the actors were displeased because Frakes and Siris had a bigger part than they did. From interviews directly after TATV, neither Bakula or Trinneer were in that crowd. I think Trineer may've changed his mind after fans told him how much they didn't like it. And I think Bakula -- as always -- is above the fray, claiming "no one is ever satisfied with a finale."

For what it's worth, I think Bakula has a great point.

I can definitely understand why the actors were upset they weren't in it longer and why Blalock didn't like it. I think T'Pol's character suffered a worse fate than dying.

Braga Bashing is pretty old.

Agreed. Braga brought some good things to Enterprise, and I put him in a head-to-head competition with Coto purely on writing, I would pick Braga.

 

[Mach5]

I think T'Pol's character suffered a worse fate than dying.

Touche! I don't know who the hell that was in TATV, but it was not T'pol
(but then again, my biggest complaint about TATV is that it felt like it was written by someone who never even saw the show, let alone created it).

 

[I am not Spock]

TATV was a poor finale, and it did screw over both ENT's and TNG's characters.

But it was five years ago. I've forgiven Braga. He's moved on. We should too.

 

[Mach5]

But it was five years ago. I've forgiven Braga. He's moved on. We should too.

Actually, it's been 3.75 years (), and yes, people should frakkin' move on. But somehow, I don't see it happening. Like I said, that episode is a phenomenon and it seems to have a life of it's own (the sucker refuses to die).

 

[trekkerguy]

But it was five years ago. I've forgiven Braga. He's moved on. We should too.

Actually, it's been 3.75 years (), and yes, people should frakkin' move on. But somehow, I don't see it happening. Like I said, that episode is a phenomenon and it seems to have a life of it's own (the sucker refuses to die).

Funny thing is, that episode got voted to the dvd Fan Collective as
one of the "Fan Choice" episodes for Enterprise.

It's an internet thing. The bitchers live and die here.
I think in general the people who saw it liked it and moved on.
The minority are those who had anurisms and jumped on their
interwebz as fast as they could to boycott it and call for B&B's head.