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Spoilers Blade Runner 2049 - Grading and Discussion

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Whether Tyrell's aims were to make replicants equal to humans or, like Wallace, to streamline production is left sadly ambiguous by the retcon.

"Rachel is an experiment, and nothing more." Tyrell did it because he could, and he'd figure out the practical use of it (if any) later. Certainly having a fertile replicant wouldn't be of any use commercially (especially for pleasure models, if it was in fact human/replicant hybridization that happened), and would dramatically amp up human suspicions that 'they're almost us - these skin jobs are gonna end up replacing us!'
 
I haven't seen this movie yet...but I'm bummed to see that, even though it was easily #1 at the box office...it grossly underperformed at 35.5M when it was expected to hit 10-20M more than that.

Yikes.

That's really disheartening.
 
I haven't seen this movie yet...but I'm bummed to see that, even though it was easily #1 at the box office...it grossly underperformed at 35.5M when it was expected to hit 10-20M more than that.

Yikes.

That's really disheartening.
Just remember not to judge film by the box office take. Part of the "problem" is that it was advertised as an action film, whereas it's a deeply cerebral film that's longer than what most audiences would expect. It's not a "sci-fi action flick" that people thought it would be and that effects word of mouth.
 
Just remember not to judge film by the box office take. Part of the "problem" is that it was advertised as an action film, whereas it's a deeply cerebral film that's longer than what most audiences would expect. It's not a "sci-fi action flick" that people thought it would be and that effects word of mouth.

Oh I agree entirely. I have no plans to not see it...especially just because the initial box office. I'm just bummed that seemingly more BR fans and genre fans didn't show up to support it.

I guess I need to look in the mirror since I wasn't there either though.
 
I really liked how the movie kept the look and aesthetic of the 80's type dystopian future from the original one and didn't try and make adjustments or such to make it more "plausible", as it were. Even little things like seeing a "Pan-Am Airlines" building, the Atari building and things of that nature. Hell, even the cars were natural progression of cars from the original movies and not made to look like the curvy blobs we'll be driving in the real 2049.

I noticed a few vibes and such too from other '80s dystopian movies. The stuff in the damn/gutter or whatever at the end reminded me a little bit of a scene from Cherry 2000 that takes place in a spillway, hell even some of the "vibes" with Officer K and his female hologram reminded me of the stuff between the main character of Cherry 2000 and his fem-bot. (Hell. the hologram thing alone is very much like the Fem-Bot stuff in Cherry 2000, as well as some of the attitudes the human characters have about the female holograms and fembots in the respective movies.)

That said, though, I think a lot of the scenes with the hologram girl could've been cut or trimmed without losing much. As cool as the "sex scene" was, it could've been removed and not have lost much. That's one of the bigger problems with this movie for me, it's pretty slowly paced and there seems to be a lot of excess in it. Like when he's scanning over Las Vegas with his drone and there's an extended scene from the drone's POV with him making camera orders. The scene was "interesting" from the look, feel and vibe of it but at the same time really got us nothing but, well, wasted time.

And enough with the "Inception Horns!"

The holographic performers scene with Ford and Gossling fighting was also a cool visual experience with the malfunctioning projectors.

The movie has quite a bit of "padding" in it. Padding that's atmospheric, visually fascinating, interesting to watch and all of that but... It was padding. This movie didn't need to be nearly 3 hours long, there's half an hour of stuff you can cut or trim in this movie and not loose much and speed up the pace as a result. The scene with the the "daughter" doing the memories in the holographic chamber holding the Curta-claculator computer controller thing. Interesting but, I was looking at them thinking "TALK. QUICKER!"

But if there's ever someone to cast as emotionless, monotone, behaving like he's always on Quaaludes, person I guess Ryan Gosling is it.
 
Blade Runner 2049 is something truly special, it's rare that you see a director so in control of their artistic vision and craft. It's a big budget art house film, so true and pure to the sheer art of filmmaking. Denis Villeneuve has now cemented himself as one of the great modern directors of film and his name carries some , his craftsmanship and vision for each project he goes into is admirable - he does things on his own terms, in his own way, not submitting to trite clichés due to the confines of budget Hollywood films and actually has respect for the audience and their intelligence rather than pandering to them, thinking they need their hands held to be able to 'get' a narrative. The film is as satisfying for the eyes as it is for the brain.

It is one of those movies I need to see more than a few times on the IMAX, but never will.
 
I saw this opening day, and I'm still processing it. So many others have better articulated what makes it great. I found all the characters interesting. The questions it raised in me about what it means to be human or sentient or alive were really profound. I don't know if I have the answers to those question. Perhaps it is better that I don't. I definitely see it as an equal to the original. It was a perfect sequel in many ways. It respect the original, and the ambiguity about certain parts of it, yet also told the story of another Blade Runner who would deal with similar themes but from a different way.
 
I really liked how the movie kept the look and aesthetic of the 80's type dystopian future from the original one and didn't try and make adjustments or such to make it more "plausible", as it were. Even little things like seeing a "Pan-Am Airlines" building, the Atari building and things of that nature. Hell, even the cars were natural progression of cars from the original movies and not made to look like the curvy blobs we'll be driving in the real 2049.

Yeah I did love how they kept some of those design elements... although I do wish it had felt just a bit more like the BR world than it did. With the warmer color palette, more barren landscapes, and Hans Zimmer score, it often reminded me more of a Christopher Nolan movie like Interstellar than the cool blue world of the original.

The movie has quite a bit of "padding" in it. Padding that's atmospheric, visually fascinating, interesting to watch and all of that but... It was padding. This movie didn't need to be nearly 3 hours long, there's half an hour of stuff you can cut or trim in this movie and not loose much and speed up the pace as a result. The scene with the the "daughter" doing the memories in the holographic chamber holding the Curta-claculator computer controller thing. Interesting but, I was looking at them thinking "TALK. QUICKER!"

Agreed. The original movie was very deliberately paced as well (and just as focused on mood and atmosphere as on the actual story it was telling) but it's scenes still didn't drag on as long as many in the sequel seemed to. And that now seems like a really efficient and tightly-plotted movie in comparison. :p
 
That said, though, I think a lot of the scenes with the hologram girl could've been cut or trimmed without losing much. As cool as the "sex scene" was, it could've been removed and not have lost much. That's one of the bigger problems with this movie for me, it's pretty slowly paced and there seems to be a lot of excess in it. Like when he's scanning over Las Vegas with his drone and there's an extended scene from the drone's POV with him making camera orders. The scene was "interesting" from the look, feel and vibe of it but at the same time really got us nothing but, well, wasted time.

While you could certainly cut a bunch of stuff without harming the central narrative plot, a lot of what you're calling wasted time is really the heart of the film. K's relationship with Joi, in particular seeing him choose it over being with a "real girl" is really the driving force of his motivation. It's at the heart of what he wants and what he's longing for.

Similarly, the drone scene is an interesting one because it does feel wasted. But how different is the drone from K? From Joi? We never get a sense that the drone is intelligent at all, but it is a tool to be used. Much like how humans see replicants. It informs the atmosphere of the film, and creates an underlying current of questions. What is near enough to human to be considered "real"? How do we interact with our technology, and at what point does it become so advanced that the relationship changes?

While I ultimately agree that the film was overlong, and some of the materiel would have to end up on the cutting room floor by definition if you trimmed it, I'm also not at all sure what I would be willing to cut. The mood and texture is such a deeply significant part of the film. It's an interesting dilemma to have.

Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. As important as K's journey was (and as much as that was my favorite aspect), it was the mystery surrounding the replicant child that felt to me like what the entire story really revolved around. Especially since the movie spends most of it's time making us think HE is that child.

We're not talking about a MacGuffin like the briefcase in Pulp Fiction here; this was something a whole lot bigger than that.

I don't agree with your last point. Bigger in the context of the world, sure. But not in terms of the story. K's journey IS the story. The reason the film dwells on his belief that he's the child isn't because the child is significant, it's because K's hopes, his deepest dreams, revolve around being a real boy.

The film introduces a lot of world building. Wallace. The replicant resistance. Even Deckard. But all of that is merely to facilitate K's journey. K doesn't dwell on the resistance. He doesn't fundamentally care about it. He seems to agree with their aims by the end, but only as an extension of his own growth as (or into) a person. Wallace is a threat to the larger world because of what he'd do with or to replicants. But he's a threat to K because his larger scheming interferes with, and imperils, K's search. I would argue that K is the film. The rest is window dressing. Pretty window dressing, but that's it. It might as well be a briefcase.
 
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I really liked how the movie kept the look and aesthetic of the 80's type dystopian future from the original one and didn't try and make adjustments or such to make it more "plausible", as it were. Even little things like seeing a "Pan-Am Airlines" building, the Atari building and things of that nature. Hell, even the cars were natural progression of cars from the original movies and not made to look like the curvy blobs we'll be driving in the real 2049.
I particularly like the touch of Sony replacing RCA.

As for maintaining the aesthetic, it does make sense in-universe, too. They suffered a blackout a few years later, followed by ecological and climatic disasters. As result, it wouldn't be surprised if there was lack of growth and development to the appearance of Los Angeles in that regard.
 
I was pretty excited going in, but not being a fan of film as art ended up entirely disappointed (just as I was with the original, which ended up growing on me) Without the world building, there just isn't enough to it. There is enough story for a 1 hour anthology series.
 
When I re-watched the original last night, I got some clues that most people had already left for the off-world colonies, and L.A.'s ultra-urbanization was a relic of a bygone age. Mostly the lack of traffic, and the way J.F. Sebastian talks about how he can have an entire five-story office building to himself since there's no shortage of space for everyone. The planet seems to be a bit of a ghost town.

That's a detail that the person who wrote this article attacking the film didn't get; they just decided to rant instead.
 
A.V. Club has a thorough rundown of the cultural references in the film, including Chinatown, Paradise Lost, The Trial, The Castle, and Pale Fire.
 
I thought it was great. Better than the original. I loved being immersed in that world again. Ryan Gosling was great as K and Harrison Ford was terrific. Sylvie Hoeks stole just about every scene she was in.
 
C-

Unlikable characters, sequences that were needlessly drawn out, visuals not as good as the original and the score was horrible. (Someone please retire Hans Zimmer already)

Not surprised that it's underperforming and they'll have to hope on digital download and Blu Ray to make it's money back.
 
Just got back from seeing it, but I think our cinema mucked up the sound a little. Normally, it's fine, but this time, the volume seemed loud enough to rattle the seats:(.

I went in with no spoilers and absolutely enjoyed the film. It's going to be one for the blu collection.
I think that's just the way the movie is, I had the same thing in my theater. I'm sensitive to loud noises and there were a few times I almost had to leave.

I loved the story and the themes and ideas, but it did feel really dragged out at times. It was beautiful, but there were still a few scenes and even individual shots that could have been trimmed a bit.
The story was great, and had terrific performances from everyone. It definitely brings up some very interesting questions and ideas about sentience and being "human".
The relationship between K/Joe and Joi was pretty interesting, and the last bit with the hologram add definitely adds some big questions to it. It's funny because the whole time they keep showing the add talking about her being everything you want, I thought they were comparing it to how she was evolving, but then I realized after the add that maybe it was just telling us that that is all she was.
K/Joe not being Dekard and Rachel's kid was a big surprise, but like Joi the end brought up some big questions about him. Was his disobedience something that is possible for all of his model of Replicants or was it just because of Dekard's daughter's real memory?
As dragged out as some of the scenes felt, they were still enjoyable just because the cinematography and production design was gorgeous.
 
I think some of the scenes with Ford especially the fight scene leading into the holographic theater felt dragged out. The rest of it I kinda felt was more more intentional and more for the benefit of the audience.
 
I went into this knowing as little as possible (other than the cast) and mixed expectations. I like the original a lot but haven’t seen it in years (had to read a summary on Wikipedia to remind me of a lot of the details the day I saw the sequel). And as regards the critical praise - well, I’ve been out of step with the critics a little lately; I liked Batman v Superman but disliked Wonder Woman, liked both Mad Max & The Force Awakens but found them a bit overrated.

However, I absolutely loved this film. The visuals were astounding as you’d expect and the soundtrack was fantastic - I normally find Zimmer a bit repetitive but he replicated Vangelis’ original score wonderfully.

I didn’t know what the plot would be or even that Gosling would be a replicant. So other than Ford appearing, the film continuously surprised me. Jared Leto’s eerie performance made me think that there must be a great Joker performance sitting on an editing floor somewhere; it was great to see Olmos again and I felt Robin Wright was much better used than in Wonder Woman. Ford seems to have really risen to the occasion in TFA & even ...Crystal Skull but I loved his performance here. And I loved how they handled the issue of whether or not he was a replicant.

Honestly, there were just too many thought-provoking themes and scenes for me to fully or adequately discuss on a Friday evening as I prepare to put the kids to bed and open a bottle of wine! But I look forward to rewatching the original and this again and again. After the disappointment of Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, this was a very worthy return to this particular universe.
 
I saw it today. Might check it out again later. I thought it was better than the first film. Visually it was pretty stunning, and it was a story that unfolded, more so than moved along. Its a film that is long and requires some commitment and patience from the audience IMO.

Whereas the first film didn't deliver enough action or the pacing required for a film about hunters and prey, 2049 was a different kind of story so I was more okay with the slower, expansive pace of the film.

I have few nitpicks. But this goes back to the original film as well. How much machine versus organic are replicants? I don't think it's ever really explained. We see the replicants have increased strength and arguably speed but die pretty much from the same kind of trauma that fells humans. Also the idea that replicants would even want to come to Earth. It seems like Earth is a dying planet and all the action and opportunities are in the colonies. I think the original film did a good job explaining the motivation of the rogue replicants in that film and I can also accept why there are replicants still on Earth in this film though it's not explained; I can just assume they escaped to Earth sometime after the black out which made it easier perhaps for them to hide.

Also, I wonder how people can tell that replicants aren't real people? I get the cops might have that info, but I didn't see enough that stands out. Even the original film, they had the special test for them, and those replicants acted a bit more oddly at times than the ones in 2049 IMO. To differentiate replicant from human they should be making them less humanlike, but I guess the money is in making them more human than human I suppose.

I do wish we had seen more Blade Runners in the film. They were supposed to be hunting K and I wish we had gotten an action scene at least with the other Blade Runners on his trail at some point. Another action scene certainly wouldn't have hurt the film.

I enjoyed Harrison Ford here more than in Force Awakens. His decisions made more sense here than they did in that film and it didn't feel like they brought back Deckard just to crap on him like I felt they did to the Star Wars legends in Force Awakens. Actually I liked Deckard in 2049 more than I did in the original film.

I'm not a Ryan Gosling fan really but I thought he did a pretty good job in 2049. Having him as a replicant fits his emotional range as an actor IMO. And his K was a sympathetic, human, Blade Runner than Deckard was for most of that first film. I also liked Ana de Armas as Joi. I enjoyed their relationship and while there are questions about how real it really was or if Joi was merely acting due to programming I would like to believe it was real, that she had evolved beyond her programming like K had.

I was just okay with Jared Leto as Wallace. I would've been fine with them bringing Sean Young back as Tyrell's real niece to be the main villain. I think that could've be another twist on top of the twists the film already had. They could've had Leto play a replicant. I was also confused by the hooker who was working with the resistance. At first I thought she was human but then she's hanging out with the replicant resistance leader and that put what she really was in doubt for me. Why are humans working with replicants? Perhaps that's another hint at a replicant/human resistance movement brewing. I wish we had gotten a bit of an explanation for why the hooker and I'm assuming the other human prostitutes also knew Batista's replicant and likely were also part of the resistance as well.

I thought Luv was a pretty solid henchwoman.

I think they wasted Edward James Olmos. I would've liked to have seen him perhaps in the Robin Wright role, and shift Wright to either the main villain or a replicant or Blade Runner. Also I wished that Gaff's origami had been more tied to K's memory. Perhaps it was but it didn't look that way to me.
 
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