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Black Panther - Pre-release Thread

fireproof78 said:
Why not watch some of the films, like "Romeo and Juliet"? Or is the dialog that inaccessible?

Patrick Stewart also did an adaptation of "Macbeth."

Joss Whedon's conditions of doing "Avengers" was being able to do "Much Ado About Nothing"
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I know a lot of people make fun of it, but I still think that Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet is a great Shakespeare movie.
David Tennant and Patrick Stewart's Hamlet, which was another modern version with the original dialogue, was really good too. It's worth watching just to see The Doctor and Captain Picard/Charles Xavier onscreen together.
 
kirk55555 said:
For being so "limited", I've sure seen a hell of a lot of things. Yeah, I currently am in a drought when it comes to sci Fi/fantasy media, but I end up watching/reading a lot. I only like certain types of things, but that's fine. Nothing wrong with that, just like there is nothing superior about watching/reading/etc things in many genres.



I really just want adaptations that have the characters talk like its 2018 not 1608. I'm also talking about direct adaptations, not taking story beats but making an all new story, which is what stuff like West Side Story did.

But, to be fair, I wouldn't be all that motivated to watch Shakespeare stuff even if I could understand it, its just that it being complete gibberish to me guarantees I won't watch it



I watched Joss Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing. it uses Shakespeare's dialog, so I honestly don't know what happened. But it had Wesley, Fred, Agent Coulson and Mal Reynolds in it, so I watched it all the way through. Patrick Stewart Shakespeare is just as much gibberish to me as any other adaptation. Its not the acting that's the problem, its the source material, which is basically done in a language I don't understand.

Plus, you know, I have limits. I'm not watching a romance, period, so I wouldn't watch any adaptation of Romeo & Juliet. I know Much Ado About Nothing is a romance (I think), but since I couldn't understand what the hell was going on I wasn't annoyed by romance elements and mostly just got a kick out of watching b-list genre actors I enjoy try to act in what is basically a foreign language. I'd watch stuff like Hamlet or Macbeth if the characters spoke modern English, not stuff like R&J.
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You do realize that some of the greatest stories of all time have been romances, right?
 
JD said:
David Tennant and Patrick Stewart's Hamlet, which was another modern version with the original dialogue, was really good too. It's worth watching just to see The Doctor and Captain Picard/Charles Xavier onscreen together.
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The interesting thing there is that Stewart had played the same role 29 years earlier opposite Derek Jacobi's Hamlet in a BBC production (with Lalla Ward as Ophelia). Back in 2010, I watched both versions in fairly close succession, and Stewart's two versions of King Claudius couldn't have been more dissimilar. He was a weak link in the 1980 version, but amazingly good in the 2009 version. Here are my blog reviews:

https://christopherlbennett.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/hamlet-with-time-lords-and-picard-version-1/
https://christopherlbennett.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/hamlet-with-time-lords-and-picard-version-2/
 
fireproof78 said:
Well, obviously. I guess I'm just confused by this that "MCU film=excited" except this and this...it's not clear to me.

But, I also know that I'm weird in that it may be a franchise that I love (re: Star Wars) and just because new Star Wars film doesn't equal excitement for me. Every film I judge by its own merits not franchise.
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I'm definitely not that way. I get excited for franchises I like. no franchise is perfect, but the MCU has produced all good to amazing movies with one exception. That's more then enough for me to generally get excited for an MCU film, unless things come up to prove I shouldn't be excited.

JD said:
You do realize that some of the greatest stories of all time have been romances, right?
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That is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. I'm not a fan of them, and while I'm not against a movie having a romance in it I don't watch movies specifically about romance as a rule. Its an element I'll tolerate in stories, but something I have no desire to watch/read/etc a story specifically about. Not that any of this is really relevant to the Black Panther thread.
 
JD said:
You do realize that some of the greatest stories of all time have been romances, right?
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Can I ask if this is worth it? I disagree with Kirk most of the time, but they have established personal opinion and preferences, and wanting to stick with them. Why not respect his differences? No one can be forced to watch a different genre-I mean, I don't like country music and have listened to a variety of it. But, with few exceptions, I don't enjoy it.

kirk55555 said:
I'm definitely not that way. I get excited for franchises I like. no franchise is perfect, but the MCU has produced all good to amazing movies with one exception. That's more then enough for me to generally get excited for an MCU film, unless things come up to prove I shouldn't be excited.
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I still don't get it but ok :beer:
 
I get excited for franchises I like. no franchise is perfect, but the MCU has produced all good to amazing movies with one exception.
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I don't agree. I believe there were more than one exception. Especially in the past two to three years.

I hope that "Black Panther" will restore the MCU's artistic glory . . . at least for me.
 
The MCU never reached heights achieved by iron Man 1. That is unfortunate because it was the very first movie.
 
Anwar said:
Nah, I say Avengers/Winter Soldier/Civil War/Homecoming and Ragnarok were all at least as good.
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Agreed, they were better. Iron Man 1, to me, struck gold with RDJ, but the movie surrounding him was standard origin material with nothing special to it. I actually enjoyed Thor's first outing more than Iron Man's. (Funny, they both had less than stellar second movies, while Captain America kept getting better).

Black Panther, from what I'm reading, will be different enough from the rest of the pack plus his introduction is already out of the way and they can hit the ground running, which is already a good headstart for a first solo movie.
 
kirk55555 said:
I'm definitely not that way. I get excited for franchises I like. no franchise is perfect, but the MCU has produced all good to amazing movies with one exception. That's more then enough for me to generally get excited for an MCU film, unless things come up to prove I shouldn't be excited.
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LJones41 said:
I don't agree. I believe there were more than one exception. Especially in the past two to three years.

I hope that "Black Panther" will restore the MCU's artistic glory . . . at least for me.
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I disagree as well. I think Civil War was a huge misfire.

Though, nothing will top "Avengers" for me.
 
Anwar said:
Nah, I say Avengers/Winter Soldier/Civil War/Homecoming and Ragnarok were all at least as good.
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I would say both of of the Guardians of the Galaxy films, too.
M'rk son of Mogh said:
Black Panther, from what I'm reading, will be different enough from the rest of the pack plus his introduction is already out of the way and they can hit the ground running, which is already a good headstart for a first solo movie.
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His introduction might be out of the way, but the film still has to do a lot of ground work to introduce Wakanda and its culture. That being said, every review I've read, the film does this well and transitions to the main story smoothly.
 
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fireproof78 said:
Can I ask if this is worth it? I disagree with Kirk most of the time, but they have established personal opinion and preferences, and wanting to stick with them. Why not respect his differences? No one can be forced to watch a different genre-I mean, I don't like country music and have listened to a variety of it. But, with few exceptions, I don't enjoy it.
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I know, and I do try to ignore him, but then instinct takes over and I just respond without really thinking about who I'm responding to.
 
fireproof78 said:
I disagree as well. I think Civil War was a huge misfire.

Though, nothing will top "Avengers" for me.
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Civil War is one of my favorite MCU movies, so :shrug:

JD said:
I know, and I do try to ignore him, but then instinct takes over and I just respond without really thinking about who I'm responding to.
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It would seem to be in neither of our interests to keep bringing up old arguments that go nowhere. It can be hard, I know. I sometimes just have to close out of the forum when I see, for example, a particularly egregious "The MCU sucks, Zack Snyder is a genius" post, among other things.

I'm not going to start liking things I dislike, or watch things I have no interest in. Personal taste is personal taste, and its an argument that will not go anywhere.
 
kirk55555 said:
I can think of nothing more painful (musically) then rap or hip hop (which i acknowledge are different
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Just as a point of clarification here, because I've seen this mentioned by a few in this thread, hip hop is the umbrella under which rap, hip hop music (other than rap), fashion, language, art, etc, fit. "Hip hop" is, many times, short for "hip hop culture", which encompasses all of the aforementioned.

It's not inaccurate to say that rap is hip hop or that Montel Jordan's "This Is How We Do it" is hip hop, but it IS inaccurate to say that these two are different genres. They're both hip hop.
 
crookeddy said:
The MCU never reached heights achieved by iron Man 1. That is unfortunate because it was the very first movie.
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So . . . "Iron Man" had reached the heights of the MCU . . . because it was the first in the franchise? Or are you saying that "Iron Man" was or still is the best MCU movie? Is that how you feel? Well, if you do, then I disagree.

I disagree as well. I think Civil War was a huge misfire.
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So do I.
 
LJones41 said:
So . . . "Iron Man" had reached the heights of the MCU . . . because it was the first in the franchise? Or are you saying that "Iron Man" was or still is the best MCU movie? Is that how you feel? Well, if you do, then I disagree.



So do I.
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Let me guess, it's because you dislike the idea of superheroes co-existing in one world and meeting up with one another.
 
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