Eh, I would. If Microsoft programmed Windows to feel pain, it would screw up less often. And example needs to be made!
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Eh, I would. If Microsoft programmed Windows to feel pain, it would screw up less often. And example needs to be made!
Ah. I was thinking of this CGI guy, who was based on (but distinct from) this puppet guy. I've seen Return of the Jedi more times than I can count and I definitely don't recall seeing two Sy Snootles in any given shot, to be honest.
Both the puppets and the CGI suck. I'm losing respect for ROTJ more and more each day regardless of which edition.
I'm leaning towards returning the first two movies to their original form (I'll compromise and keep Ian McDiarmid's scene in Episode II and certainly keep the Biggs scene that was filmed but cut from the original movie), but let ROTJ be Lucas' play thing.
I'm leaning towards returning the first two movies to their original form (I'll compromise and keep Ian McDiarmid's scene in Episode II and certainly keep the Biggs scene that was filmed but cut from the original movie), but let ROTJ be Lucas' play thing.
Episode V, right?
Yeah. Coffee hadn't quite set in
Droids having emotional programming isn't too bad. It's the whole "pain" angle.
Uh, yes it is going to short out some shit, but that doesn't explain the yelp.
R2 showed emotion when he was shot by the Jawas, first frantically beeping and then making a sigh of passing out. One could "explain" this away in all sorts of EE/CS ways, but none get around the clear intent that he is displaying human-like feelings.
A major reason for his display of emotion is to make him an identifiable character. But by keeping R2's language incompressible, in his case at least, there is a wall of separation that prevents complete identification.
Making R2 identifiable while preventing complete identification is part of the genius of Star Wars, it serves one of its themes, that cybernetics can approach but never equal human beings, and it is clearly intended.
But none of this makes the droid torture scene any less of a facepalm. Delivery matters. And another problem with it is that it's not clear who's around to "enjoy" that torture. Are we supposed to infer that Jabba gets pleasure just knowing that it is occurring in his palace?
However, on further thought, maybe Jabba's discovered that restraining bolts aren't effective by themselves. We actually know that they aren't. They didn't prevent R2 from convincing Luke to remove one in ANH, and didn't prevent R2 from leaving his post in ROTJ to go launch Luke's lightsaber either.
Incidentally, why didn't Jabba wipe the memories of R2 and 3PO?
Did that HD have Vista on it? Every Windows 7 Tower should be warned, so that they know what not to do.
And Vista? Yeah, it knows what it did, it had it coming.
I thought the function of a restraining bolt was to allow a person to halt the droid using that remote control thingy Luke uses in the first film.
Well, having them feel pain I guess could prevent them from injuring themselves.
But why the torture? If one does something you don't like or you need information extracted, why not use a computer to get the information and erase it?
If this were its only function then I don't think R2 would have needed to trick Luke into removing his bolt. He could have just sneaked off, since his whole plan of escape depended on him not being observed anyway. See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Restraining_bolt for more info that supports this.
I assumed the restraining bolt was kind of like a dog collar in an invisible fence set up. It kept the droid confined within a certain area around the farm.
As for droids feeling pain, putting aside the Jabba torture sequence (stupid), there could be some tech sense in having droids that, while not feeling "pain" as we understand it, communicate system errors or damage in sounds that humans understand as "pain". When you consider how closely integrated humans and droids are in SW society (to the point of serving and interpreters and doctors), one can easily envision having them make squeals when hurt or chirps when happy would create greater human bonding with the units than a "error error" similar message might.
As for droids feeling pain, putting aside the Jabba torture sequence (stupid), there could be some tech sense in having droids that, while not feeling "pain" as we understand it, communicate system errors or damage in sounds that humans understand as "pain". When you consider how closely integrated humans and droids are in SW society (to the point of serving and interpreters and doctors), one can easily envision having them make squeals when hurt or chirps when happy would create greater human bonding with the units than a "error error" similar message might.
It's been said elsewhere on this site that Star Trek(2009) was the worst movie of all time.
The prequel music. Like John Williams but his scores for the films were mostly forgettable....apart from the times they used either OT themes (Although sometimes that even felt out of place) or the 'centerpiece' themes-Duel of the Fates, Across the Stars, Battle of the Heroes (Which were pretty good). Most of the action music was either annoying (The airspeeder chase, for one) repetitive or badly edited. I'm thinking Williams's score suffered under George's direction and Ben Burtt's edits.
Speaking of badly edited, the AOTC Geonosis scenes are an utter mess of music. Most of the music is lifted directly from TPM's soundtrack recordings, and really sounds terrible mixed like that.
Granted, ROTJ did something similar by using the Falcon rescues Luke music from ESB (Instead of a more heroic cue) when the Falcon destroys the Death Star reactor, but I think that's the only case of lifting recordings directly from an earlier film in the OT.
Speaking of badly edited, the AOTC Geonosis scenes are an utter mess of music. Most of the music is lifted directly from TPM's soundtrack recordings, and really sounds terrible mixed like that.
Granted, ROTJ did something similar by using the Falcon rescues Luke music from ESB (Instead of a more heroic cue) when the Falcon destroys the Death Star reactor, but I think that's the only case of lifting recordings directly from an earlier film in the OT.
yeah it was because of a hasty last-minute re-editing of the sequence
That's because Lucas essentially took all of William's music and cannibalized it in the editing room.
If you ever get a chance to listen to his unaltered scores, do so. They are immensely better.
In Phantom Menace, Anakin gets into that fighter (and is told to stay) "gee, I wonder what this button does?" Suddenly he is doing damage. Then he can fly. Then he just destroyed that Battle station when the most experienced pilots couldn't. (everyone for me...) yeaaaaaaah......
I could take Anakin doing the 'go-cart' track but flying a space-fighter and taking out a space station by pressing buttons randomly?!? THAT is my facepalm. I am quite surprised it didn't make it.
I could take Anakin doing the 'go-cart' track but flying a space-fighter and taking out a space station by pressing buttons randomly?!? THAT is my facepalm. I am quite surprised it didn't make it.
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I had blocked it out of my memory. Now you've brought it back. I'll have to try a new trick to get it out again. Hmmm.. I'll try spinning. That's a good trick. GAH! Damn it damn it damn it! Will I never be free!?
I think most people are avoiding discussing the prequels because it would be too hard to discuss a sequence that stands out as worse than all the others and one that hasn't been discussed to death already.
But I agree this is pretty bad. I didn't mind so much when I first saw TPM in the theaters, but the few other times I have seen it cemented in my mind the ridiculousness of it. Lucas already portrayed Anakin as a super-genius who could do pretty much anything, so he must have figured the ultimate display of his abilities would be to have him destroy the enemy ship purely by accident.
They should have had Anakin already knowing what he was doing with that fighter instead of it seeming accidental. It was already established in TPM that he knew the layout of the controls to the Queen's ship when he was talking to Ric Olie, so Anakin is somewhat of a quick study.
I still can't be the only one who facepalms when he hears "Yippeeeeeeeee!!!!!"
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