Biggest "Reset Button" Ever? (SPOILERS)

[EJA]

They might have really been from The Parting of the Ways since they were impure Daleks.

Not too sure about that, seeing as it was heavily implied that Rose erased every single one of them from existence. There wasn't really much opportunity for any to escape.

Then why would Daleks made from Kelad DNA aka Davros be considered impure since they come from the same source matieral as the pure ones.

Nevertheless, the fact remains, those Daleks cannot have been from the fleet in PotW because Rose destroyed all of them in an instant. And they cannot be from the fleet in The Stolen Earth, because that's been wiped from the timeline.

And as we saw in Flesh and Stone, once a being is absorbed by the time crack, it not only ceases to exist there and then, but its entire timeline leading upto that moment is erased too, so it never existed in the first place. So does this mean Davros never existed now? Bummer.

And now that the Dalek invasion never happened, this would mean that Donna Noble never became the DoctorDonna, and the Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor never went to live on Pete's World with Rose. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it implied that Dalek Caan had somehow manipulated things so that Donna met the Doctor in the first place? Well, now that Caan never existed, how could they have met?

And on top of all this, we still have the problem of how the Daleks are still around. I really think Moffatt has opened up a gigantic can of worms with this whole time crack business.

 

[Kansa]

Im pretty sure Davros still exists because if he diddnt wouldnt all the daleks disappear for ever as well because he is the one who created them

 

[HappyDayRiot]

Davros, the Daleks, Caan, Donna, the Metacrisis Doctor and Rose are all time-travellers. They're immune to the erasure of timelines and memories... I think. Journey's End still happened for all of them.

At any rate, we still don't know where all of this is going. It may all get cancelled out when the Doctor sorts Amy out.

 

[Kibbin]

^Ninja'd^
As the Doctor said, you see and remember things differently if you are a time traveller, that's why Amy remembers those army men. I think the big stuff still happened its just that everyone else has essentially forgotten it, otherwise is it not likely that we wouldn't even have an 11th Doctor if the 10th hadn't done all that stuff he has done.

 

[Classic Fan]

I doubt that Moffat will piss over and re-write everything RTD has done, maybe he will clean it up a little cos it is a bit of a mess to deal with. but to go over and re-write everything that RTD has done will be stupid, cos RTD gave Moffat his dream Doctor Who job in 2005, although Moffat did write the fantastic Curse Of The Fatal Death for comic relief, but in 2005 Moffat got a regular stint on Who. So really, in essence, RTD passed the torch to Moffat, and he has a lot to be thankful for.

However, as far as rewriting and resetting everything (obviously the symbolic destruction of RTDs Daleks was brilliant), i doubt that will happen. Yeah we all have gripes about the Cyberking, Stolen Earth, the Torchwood War etc that we all like to see thrown into the void, but hey, well have to wait and see what happens.

So far, it seems that only The Doctor remembers all these major key events. Amy remembers the soldiers/priests after they have been essentially deleted from time by the crack, however, the other soldiers/priests/whatever dont even remember, so in some ways its affecting Amy and in some ways it isnt. Strange.

He also keeps mentioning The Void, the fact he sent them back (Daleks) etc, so for some reason, maybe due to him being a time traveller, he is immune to the changes around him that seem to affecting everyone else.

Its way too early to determine a reset button. Its only just past Ep5 for Gods sake. Let it run its course.

 

[Kibbin]

I don't think she recalls the daleks but recalls the soldiers after they were deleted, simply because she wasn't a time traveller when all that stuff happened.

 

[HappyDayRiot]

When was the Battle of Canary Wharf ever mentioned in this series? It was very localised in London - there's no reason Amy, in Leadworth would have ever heard about it before in the normal course of events to forget about it due to the cracks in the universe. As far as I know there's no indication the crack has affected the Daleks v Cybermen battle, and Torchwood made it clear the government took measures to make people think it didn't really happen anyway.

 

[Kibbin]

First, I think a big fight between aliens in London would make the news, second there is the fact that it is connected to the ghost cybermen which were so well known as to appear on Eastenders, that one day stopped appearing, after materializing in massive armies around the world.

 

[Tom]

The other thing is the ramifications on Torchwood and SJA, Moffet would be messing some things up in those those also, and as far as i know Moffet has no authority in either of those 2 shows, only Doctor Who.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

Do we know that Amy has forgotten the Cybermen/Ghosts, and not just the Daleks?

 

[captcalhoun]

we only know for sure that she doesn't know about SE/JE from the S4 finale.

 

[knine]

Blimey, if all this is true, then Martha's family are going to think she's a real loony when she starts talking to them about the time she helped save the Earth from the Daleks!

Sorry if this sounds a bit of a dumb question, but if the Dalek invasion in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End was erased from history, then how did those Daleks in VotD still exist?

They might have really been from The Parting of the Ways since they were impure Daleks.

I had this thought as well. At least before The Parting of the Ways.

1 - Doctor 8 (maybe 9) destroys Daleks / Galifrey
2 - Doctor survives
3 - Emperor Dalek ship (one ship) survives.
4 - Signal detected
5 - Emperor sends a damaged "shuttle" with 3 Daleks to investigate while he grows his Dalek army again.
6 - Dalek shuttle finds progenitor and but can't do anything with it.
7 - Dalek shuttle finds out Emperor and friends were destroyed and learn the Doctor is alive and a make plans to get his testimony

This assumes that somehow the leftover Daleks on the Emperor's ship were not pure. Perhaps since it was thought all the progenitor devices were destroyed, there were unpure Daleks being created to fight in the war.

Or maybe not.

 

[The Squire of Gothos]

The mention of the Cyberking seems to be a knowing nod to the often raised question of why history never recorded a giant Cyberman lumbering around London.

To be fair, I've been trying to forget it too.

Do you know of ANYONE who wants to remember the Cyberking? I would say the toy companies, but even they didn't release it...

A collective forgetting is something we humans can do all too well

 

[The]

^That was an awesome article! Thanks!

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Cracked is almost as addictive as TV Tropes.

 

[Sci]

So tonight Moffat wielded the biggest Reset Button in SF history; wiping out basically as much of Doctor Who's history as he wants to.

"The Next Doctor": Gone

"The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End": Gone

"Army Of Ghosts"/"Doomsday": Gone

And I'm going to guess that all the other RTD stories that involved people in the Present knowing about aliens are gone too.

What an arrogant fuck you are Moffat. It's not like what you're doing is better than what you've gotten rid of.

I'm not actually surprised if Moffat presses the reset button on the RTD era, though to be honest I wish that RTD had done that himself.

Say what you will about RTD, but he left a mess behind. RTD's Earth no longer resembles in any way our Earth. You can play "I was on vacation and didn't notice" only so many times before it becomes absurd. If things like the Earth being dragged across the galaxy by the TARDIS and the entirety of humanity being turned into the Master get undone, I honestly won't mourn them. And if Moffat can make a good story out of cleaning up RTD's mess, more power to him.

I for one don't think any of that constitutes a mess, because I don't think the DW Earth needs to resemble ours in any way. Why not have a world where humanity knows about aliens? No one in RTD DW used "I was on vacation and didn't notice" after "The Runaway Bride;" part of the point of his Children of Earth over on Torchwood was addressing the fact that alien life is now an accepted fact of life.

ETA:

I also think it's premature to say that the Dalek Invasion from "The Stolen Earth" has been erased from history. The most we know is that Amy doesn't remember them.