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Biggest "Reset Button" Ever? (SPOILERS)

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So tonight Moffat wielded the biggest Reset Button in SF history; wiping out basically as much of Doctor Who's history as he wants to.

"The Next Doctor": Gone

"The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End": Gone

"Army Of Ghosts"/"Doomsday": Gone

And I'm going to guess that all the other RTD stories that involved people in the Present knowing about aliens are gone too.

What an arrogant fuck you are Moffat. It's not like what you're doing is better than what you've gotten rid of.

But hey, at least we now know why Henry Van Statten didn't know what a Dalek was!
 
Really?

I haven't seen any of this new season yet, but that sounds really annoying. One of the things I loved about Doctor Who was that the world was aware of the aliens and The Doctor.
 
We have no idea how far Moffat is going with this or what will stick come the end. Get over yourself FFS and find something better to do when you want to throw an hissy fit for attention.
 
I assume this is something to do with the Dalek reality bomb? or some sort of consequence for the 2nd 10th Doctor.
 
Jax said:
We have no idea how far Moffat is going with this or what will stick come the end. Get over yourself FFS and find something better to do when you want to throw an hissy fit for attention.
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I'm sorry, who are you again?
 
I'm not sure it's fair to call it a reset button yet. We don't really know what's going on. After all, the Doctor remembers things and sees things are not right. The mention of the Cyberking seems to be a knowing nod to the often raised question of why history never recorded a giant Cyberman lumbering around London. I think it's better to wait and see how this plays out.
 
I'd be a tad narked off if Moffatt retcons all those stories with the Daleks and Cybermen out of existence too.
 
A retcon of those would be annoying, but I don't think it's coming (for starters, that'd mean Victory of The Daleks never happened and the Daleks were never redesigned - which would be good, but seeing as they've spent the money, they'll want to get plenty of use out of them.

I suspect that the time that will get rewritten will be a) Amy's growing up obsessed with a Doctor who never came back, and b) River killing him.

Either way, I guess this we won't know until the finale airs.
 
StCoop said:
Jax said:
We have no idea how far Moffat is going with this or what will stick come the end. Get over yourself FFS and find something better to do when you want to throw an hissy fit for attention.
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I'm sorry, who are you again?
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He's the guy who's perfectly right.

Whilst you're the guy who swore off GallifreyBase yet still makes appearances there as regular as clockwork every week to post something guaranteed to piss people off.

I know which sort of person I'm least inclined to stab.
 
If the world in which people have sex with paving slabs and the master dances to the scissor sisters is gone forever, I dont care a bit.
 
StCoop said:
So tonight Moffat wielded the biggest Reset Button in SF history; wiping out basically as much of Doctor Who's history as he wants to.

"The Next Doctor": Gone

"The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End": Gone

"Army Of Ghosts"/"Doomsday": Gone

And I'm going to guess that all the other RTD stories that involved people in the Present knowing about aliens are gone too.

What an arrogant fuck you are Moffat. It's not like what you're doing is better than what you've gotten rid of.
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I'm not actually surprised if Moffat presses the reset button on the RTD era, though to be honest I wish that RTD had done that himself.

Say what you will about RTD, but he left a mess behind. RTD's Earth no longer resembles in any way our Earth. You can play "I was on vacation and didn't notice" only so many times before it becomes absurd. If things like the Earth being dragged across the galaxy by the TARDIS and the entirety of humanity being turned into the Master get undone, I honestly won't mourn them. And if Moffat can make a good story out of cleaning up RTD's mess, more power to him.

Moffat is playing by different time travel rules than RTD. I can't see Moffat, the man who wrote "Continuity Errors," countenancing something like Cornell's "Father's Day."

Yes, I expected Moffat to press the reset button. Not because I wanted to see the RTD era, for all its successes and all of its failings, washed away. Instead, I expected Moffat to press the reset button because it's the kind of story he tells. RTD left some very interesting toys on the table like Time Wars and Time Locks and history-gone-wrong, and I can't see Moffat not playing with the implications.
 
Besides, if nothing else, it'll shut up those other tedious f**ks who keep bleating about "how can the people in 2012 not know what a 'Metaltron' is?!!!!"...
 
Wow what an overreaction to something that we have no idea is going to play out later in the season. All the Doctor stated was that time could be rewritten and that the crack has something to do with the end of the universe. All of it centers around Amy Pond for a reason or reasons we aren't aware of. For the original poster to speculate that this equates that everything that happened before is now null and void at this point in the series is sort of ridiculous.
 
I think that just having the doctor reference older episodes show us that Moffat acknowledges the RTD era. Also, I think I've read in an interview somewhere that this season's stoyline would be resolved in the end. One thing I've felt from the show so far this season is respect for the old show. Little details like the tardis exterior redesign show us Moffat wants to bring nuWho a bit closer to old who, and not forget everything that's cannon.

In one way, that crack is the scariest possible villain, attacking the one thing you can't mess with: canon. :p
 
So the Doctor pounding on the Dalek in "Victory of the Daleks" sent ripples through time that erased some events and brought back Adric.

;)
 
I think I'll go back and watch "Eleventh Hour" (like I needed much of a reason) to see how humans react to seeing things like the Atraxi, whether it's with a knowledge that aliens do exist or if it's totally new to them. Of course, Moffat could have written it to be just so ambiguous so you can't tell.
 
Well from memory when the ships appear in the sky everyone in Leadsworth gathers in the park or whatever and reaches up with their cell phones (mobiles I guess you guys in the UK call them eh?) and start taking pictures of them and what not. It's not really made clear from the scene the reactions of the humans IMO. I'll have to go back and watch myself just to be sure but I'm pretty sure that was how it played out.
 
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