Well, CBS has network interference too. There just usually not as bad at it as UPN
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Angel4576 said:
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Because of course, Star Trek IV in no way, shape or form has anything about the impact of technology on the human condition.....
That was more of a fish-out-of-water type story and was not a real serious look at how technology, etc. impacts us.
Whilst The Search for Spock showed us?
The rush for new technology without thinking about what you are really doing can have disastrous effects.
I'm racist & superior because everybody involved with it is ashamed to have done it as well as others who watched it. To justify this you felt the need to specifically say you have Black friends. I guess the Civil Rights movement was nothing but a bunch of people with superiority complexes.
No but the character related issues should be directly related to the Sci-Fi element not inspite of it. That is what Sci-Fi is about.
Let me try to explain it in another way. My wife loves ER. It's listed as a medical drama. I watch it too but it is more often about who is in love with who or who's deadbeat dad is visiting the current week. Because it happens to occur in an ER it's listed as a Medical drama. No real talk about medicine occurs. One time they were advertising a show about a little boy comming to America because he could not get proper treatment for tetralogy of Fallot. I became inteterested because I have that defect. Well I watched the episode and that took only about 5-7 minutes of the enire show and the rest was the same as before.
If you are selling something as sci-fi then be sci-fi not just a political intrigue that just happens to be in space and call it sci-fi.
A current show that seems to work with what it is claiming to be is the CSI shows. We actually get to seem the investigate not just some simple who's sleeping with who in the crime lab.
I hope that clarifies it.
This is why I loved the rare episodes like Timescape, Relics, The Thaw, and Frame of Mind.
^^That's not according to Gene Roddenberry what Trek was created for. He created Trek so that he could speak out about political & social issues that plague our society. He put it in a sci-fi setting in order for subjects that couldn't be talked about and expressed under the guise of fiction.
For example: "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" is actually a statement about the Cold War and how Russians were putting spies hidden within the American population. However at the time they couldn't come right out and say it, so they hid that message within a metaphor. That is exactly what Star Trek is and was meant for. Romulans represent Russians, Klingons are Japanese, Cardassians are Germans & Bajorians are Jews, which is why most people in Starfleet strongly represent America & American values.
For example: "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" is actually a statement about the Cold War and how Russians were putting spies hidden within the American population. However at the time they couldn't come right out and say it, so they hid that message within a metaphor. That is exactly what Star Trek is and was meant for. Romulans represent Russians, Klingons are Japanese, Cardassians are Germans & Bajorians are Jews, which is why most people in Starfleet strongly represent America & American values.
One thing you have to admit though while Roddenberry's intentions were good his use of enter cultures and stereotyping them with certain behaviors was probably not the best way to approach tackling social and cultural issues. Because he's committing the same 'sin' he's critical of.
Very true.
What was ironic is characters like Sulu & Uhura aren't very stereotypical but Scotty & Chekov are.
However, it might have been on the part of Desilu and not Roddenberry. He may have had to compromise parts of the show just to get it on air during that time in history. Much like "Far Beyond the Stars" were Benny/Sisko would have gotten his story published if any other character but the main one was Black.Then again, it may have also been a clever reversal where the character of color who were used to being portrade as stereotypes weren't but the White characters now were. He be making America see them as walk in other peoples shoes.
Actually that is one of the functions of Sci-Fi. Example Blade Runner and The Measure of a Man talk about what a human life is and how we treat it, could very well be about slavery or undesirables in our society hidden in the venier of Science Fiction.
It was the mundane issues like Worf being a single father trumps the story about a new technology or how one of Picard's long lost love's trumping the story about tearing a hole in the fabric of space and should we be doing that, that drove me nuts.
I frankly like the balance of both. We wouldn't be watching the show week after week if it wasn't for the characters. One of fans biggest complaints about Voyager was it was more about technology than the lives of the shows characters.
Sci-fi isn't always about technology. X-Men is sci-fi but it's main focus is civil rights & tolerance. Very little of it has anything to do with technology and it remain Marvel's top selling book world wide. B5 is sci-fi and that isn't about technology either, it's about politics. Going back even further to Lost In Space, that was about the family or Logan's Run which was about survival & the right to exist and not about technology either.
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X-Men seemed to me to be about people gaining powers and abilities and how they handle it and how people react to them. What you said about tolerance is part of the effects that is explored.
I could not get into B5 and thought it was very lame and brought nothing new to the table.
...Ripped off from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan for the most part...
'great script'
Please, it was probably the WORST Star Trek film script since Star Trek V: The Final Frointier. It was RIDDLED with plot holes, UTTERLY ridiculous scenes such as:
A maniacal captain driving a dune buggy to pick up rusted android parts that only they picked up on ALL THE WAY FROM EARTH.
Then we have the crew ASTOUNDED that 'another android like Data exists' (yet again); and they conveniently FORGET about their previous encounters with 'Lore' aand Dr. Soong.
Next, there's the "Let's fly a Romulan two-man attack shuttle THROUGH the corridors ok a Romulan vessel and THOUGH A PICTURE WINDOW in the ship because the Romulans put a force field outside the shuttlebay doors - that obviously the picture window didn't need."
Yes - great acting as we get another Marina Sirtis rendiditon of "I feel pain, great pain...". As for 'cheese'; it's a virtual smörgåsbord; from the holographic 'face to face' in the Picard ready room
; to the god awful 'Picard gets saved by Data who sacrifices himself heroicly' that was SOOOO horibly cliche; and again, a similar situation handled MUCH better in the source all that cliche crap was taken from - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.Again, you LOOSE a lot of credibility when you try to claim Star Trek: Nemesis had a 'great script'.
What made Spock's death in TWOK so good was that it came out of nowhere. No where in the movie was it implied before that moment he would die or "his time as a char was up". With Data it was so friggin obvious.
Maybe they should've gone with the original idea and have Picard kill Data at the beginning of "Insurrection".
Maybe they should've gone with the original idea and have Picard kill Data at the beginning of "Insurrection".
Actually X-Men is based upon the Civil Rights movement. In modern times Prof. X has been modeled after Martin Luther King Jr. while Magneto is modeled after Malcolm X. Two men trying to reach the same goal but thru different means. One thru peaceful means while the other is a radical. The world at large until recently in comics didn't know the X-Men existed and believed Xavier's school was for children "gifted" with intelligence, not a haven/sanctuary for mutants. Remember in X2, Iceman's parents didn't know it wasn't a prep school? Most non-mutants don't because it's the only way to keep them safe from the mass public that fears them.
X-Men is first and foremost about racism & prejudice, how we all have it and how we are all outcasts because of it. Many Homosexuals identify with Rogue, because of her abilities she is forbidden to love and be loved. It is forbidden for her to feel the touch of another. That is a human condition wrapped in a sci-fi metaphor. Black or brown skin color has been replaced with blue fur for characters like Nightcrawler & Beast. They are feared for their appearance and never seen for who they are inside. That is what the X-Men represent and the massage of the book. It's not about what they can do but rather who these people are and what they stand for and represent.
Not only that, Data made this whole speech in "The Measure of Man" about how he was unique and his destruction would take away something that was a gift and added to the universe because nowhere else in the galaxy did something like him exist.
Destroying him in Nemesis is like slashing the Mona Lisa or taking a hammer to the David. Data is more than a being, he is a technological masterpiece. He is what he said he was, a work of art.
Nemesis is also stupid in the fact that you mean to tell me out of all the lifeforms in the enter galaxy, Picard has no equal but himself?
There is no Romulan of equal intelligence and nobility to that of Picard?
I disagree. If he was so 'special' why would they assign him to such a dangerous position in Star Fleet?
Nemesis is also stupid in the fact that you mean to tell me out of all the lifeforms in the enter galaxy, Picard has no equal but himself?
The way that film Nemesis disposed of him was stupid. Leaping in space.
And then making the sacrifice was indeed moronic. But worse was the concept of "B4" The film sucked beyond belief.
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