Biggest insulting slap-in-the-face episode for fans?

[Matt]

TATV would have been a great season 4 episode if it didn't have these things:

1. Trip dying. (It wasn't just that he died, but he died so abruptly over an action which he never would have taken. He knew that would blow him up. He would have figured out something else to do. Poor writing.)
2. The toast where Archer goes, "Here's to the next generation."

Really all Trek finales are slaps in the face. "New Voyages" could possibly give us a good unofficial finale for TOS and bridge the gap between TOS and TMP.

The Enterprise episode "The Interregnum" gets my vote because it never had a sequel. How can the best episode of the entire franchise not be revisited?

 

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jimbtnp2 said:

exodus said:

jimbtnp2 said:

Brutal Strudel said:

jimbtnp2 said:

Brutal Strudel said:

exodus said:

"Code of Honor" was hands down the worse mose racist piece of crap ever, even the actors won't talk about it. Roddenberry was still alive and approved it. If he was still alive, I'd thank him for Trek and then kick him in the balls for "Code of Honor".

It surely slapped us black fans in the face, didn't it? As much as I dislike Voyager, I give the show a lot of credit for countering that nonsense with Tuvok.

I don;t get this at all, I liked code of honor

what exactly is the beef?

If you don't get it you won't get it. All I can say is, the first time Trek gives us a significant look at black aliens, they just happen to be little more than sterotypical backwards-ass ooga-booga savages who immediately kidnap the whitest woman on the ship. Of course, we got in Worf, the first significant black Klingon, the most animalistic, least sophisticated Klingon up to that time.

I think that's ridiculous - stereo typical? what were they selling crack and singing rap? Were they thugs and convicts - that's Hollywood stereo typical
A bunch of savages? why because they didn;t drink earl grey and act like every other southern californian - um i mean alien
I've never envisioned blacks as wearing turbins, maybe the arabs and siks should complain - this Hyper PC looking for a something to whine about attitude is ridiculous

don;t like the episode fine... racist? ridiculous

lighten up

Why did you ask the question if you're going to take issue with the answer? Even the actors themselves are ashamed of it due to the exact reasons Brutal stated.

yeah they all walked of the set in protest I heard,, wouldn't except payment or be liste in the credits - NOT

please

stop rwading some 'hidden' message

Please, coming from someone that can't distinguish Urban/Hip-Hop stereotypes(crack & Rap) from that of African Muslim characteristics(Turbans) as well as the lack of regard and dismissial of your fellow posters & MOD's who are trying to educate you, blatantly shows your own lack of education due to your inability to listen and comprehend.

The lack of proper social skills and the poor cross cultural education on this board is astounding.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Guys, knock it off now. Discuss the post, not the poster. Ignore the post if you have to.

jimbtnp2, you were warned not to post so many times in a row. One Warning for Spamming, send comments via private message.

Can we get on topic so I don't have to close it down?

 

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Alidar Warlock said:
Ignore the post if you have to.

With pleasure. :thumbsup:

 

[number6]

Personally, I think the fans need a slap in the face. With all their constant whining and complaining, I am amazed that anyone goes through the trouble of making Star Trek for the ungrateful bastards in the first place.

 

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Number666 said:
Personally, I think the fans need a slap in the face. With all their constant whining and complaining, I am amazed that anyone goes through the trouble of making Star Trek for the ungrateful bastards in the first place.

Preach it!!!! :thumbsup:

 

[PKTrekGirl]

startrekwatcher said:

PKTrekGirl said:

Anwar said:
To be fair, the guy in charge of VOY at the point of Endgame was Ken Biller, who openly admitted he had no idea how to end the show and pulled "Endgame" out of his rump, and since he had a bad argument with B&B he did the Chakotay/Seven thing to piss them off since Braga had wanted to kill her off in the finale.

Humm....not what I heard.

I heard the Chakotay/Seven thing came about as a direct order from Braga - sorta on a bet with Jeri Ryan, IIRC.

Actually it was a bet/dare from Beltran to Braga so Braga did it. If you had the time there is an article about it in the TrekToday archives from 2001.

Thanks! I knew it was something like that.

Great reason to write an out-of-nowhere 'ship into the very last episode: to win a bet.

Yeah, Braga was all ABOUT professionalism at that point.

 

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PKTrekGirl said:

startrekwatcher said:

PKTrekGirl said:

Anwar said:
To be fair, the guy in charge of VOY at the point of Endgame was Ken Biller, who openly admitted he had no idea how to end the show and pulled "Endgame" out of his rump, and since he had a bad argument with B&B he did the Chakotay/Seven thing to piss them off since Braga had wanted to kill her off in the finale.

Humm....not what I heard.

I heard the Chakotay/Seven thing came about as a direct order from Braga - sorta on a bet with Jeri Ryan, IIRC.

Actually it was a bet/dare from Beltran to Braga so Braga did it. If you had the time there is an article about it in the TrekToday archives from 2001.

Thanks! I knew it was something like that.

Great reason to write an out-of-nowhere 'ship into the very last episode: to win a bet.

Yeah, Braga was all ABOUT professionalism at that point.

Well after recieving tons of hate mail from over zealous fans over the years, can you blame him for give us a big "fuck you!" at the end?

I mean come on, fans sent him death threats over a TV show. Didn't many take it too far and deserved a splash of cold water?

 

[Angel4576]

^^ Death threats and hate mail are taking it too far. People are entitled to complain. If they're not prepared for that then they shouldn't be in the business.

If Endgame was Braga's 'Fuck You' to those that complained, what was his excuse for Threshold, which was five years earlier? Incredible foresight?

 

[PKTrekGirl]

^ Exactly my point. A PROFESSIONAL just does his job - and does it to the best of his ability, regardless.

The man was getting paid a CRAPLOAD of money to do a job. And he shouldn't have signed up for the gig if he wasn't willing to put up with the mail - BOTH positive and negative. Because Star Trek has ALWAYS generated alot of mail. Just ask any TOS fan from the 1970's. They friggin got TMP because of a long-term mail campaign, 'fer cryin' out loud!

Mail is part of the gig. And so, if you don't want obsessive Star Trek fans writing you letters, DON'T AGREE TO BECOME AN EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF A STAR TREK SHOW.

Otherwise, Brannon, accept the reality that comes along with those big, fat paychecks you are cashing every week.

I can't speak to any death threats...but that sounds like a matter for the police to deal with. Not a matter that has anything whatever to do with Braga demanding a relationship be written into the show on a friggin BET.

I hardly doubt any fan was holding a gun to his head when he did THAT.

 

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Angel4576 said:
^^ Death threats and hate mail are taking it too far. People are entitled to complain. If they're not prepared for that then they shouldn't be in the business.

If Endgame was Braga's 'Fuck You' to those that complained, what was his excuse for Threshold, which was five years earlier? Incredible foresight?

Come on, not every TNG story was solid gold either. We act like every story written must be perfect. If Trek had that type of energy, they wouldn't be going back to make a prequel to TOS that nobody asked for.

 

[Angel4576]

^^ There's nothing in his TNG credits that comes even close to either Threshold or Endgame. Not even Sub Rosa......

 

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PKTrekGirl said:
^ Exactly my point. A PROFESSIONAL just does his job - and does it to the best of his ability, regardless.

The man was getting paid a CRAPLOAD of money to do a job. And he shouldn't have signed up for the gig if he wasn't willing to put up with the mail - BOTH positive and negative. Because Star Trek has ALWAYS generated alot of mail. Just ask any TOS fan from the 1970's. They friggin got TMP because of a long-term mail campaign, 'fer cryin' out loud!

Mail is part of the gig. And so, if you don't want obsessive Star Trek fans writing you letters, DON'T AGREE TO BECOME AN EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF A STAR TREK SHOW.

Otherwise, Brannon, accept the reality that comes along with those big, fat paychecks you are cashing every week.

I can't speak to any death threats...but that sounds like a matter for the police to deal with. Not a matter that has anything whatever to do with Braga demanding a relationship be written into the show on a friggin BET.

I hardly doubt any fan was holding a gun to his head when he did THAT.

So you think you're getting paid enough to put up with the crap you do at your job?

You're a MOD, do you think it's worth it to put up with the crap you have to from other posters for free?

Who in the world thinks they're getting paid enough to deal with unneeded stress? Stress can even kill, how much money is that worth?

 

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Angel4576 said:
^^ There's nothing in his TNG credits that comes even close to either Threshold or Endgame. Not even Sub Rosa......

So we can judge a man's entire career based on two episodes? It's justified to to hate the man, body & soul over it?

My point is, there are people in the world that commit true evil, such as the murdering of children. How absurd are we to hate on this man simply over a Tv show? Viewing things that way, yes we deserve a big "fuck you!".

 

[Angel4576]

^^ When one of them includes an intentional 'fuck you' to the fans? No, obviously we should base opinion on everything but....

 

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Angel4576 said:
^^ When one of them includes an intentional 'fuck you' to the fans? No, obviously we should base opinion on everything but....

..but we continue to wallow in misery instead of moving on.

Berman & Braga both have, why can't we? Braga has apologized repeatedly for "Threshold" and we still bring it up over & over again as if some crime was commited. How long will it take to get over it?

Does anybody realize we put Wil Wheton thru the same thing for just being a child actor?

 

[Angel4576]

Moving on isn't really within the context of the subject matter for this thread surely? Is it so surprising that either Endgame or Threshold should be mentioned in a 'biggest slap in the face' thread?

Personally, I'm absolutely delighted with Braga's role on Voyager. It kept him the fuck away from DS9, which was absolutely fine by me.

 

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Angel4576 said:
Moving on isn't really within the context of the subject matter for this thread surely? Is it so surprising that either Endgame or Threshold should be mentioned in a 'biggest slap in the face' thread?

Trust me I understand the topic of this thread but we are also here to express ourselves and promote conversation, even if we don't always agree.

 

[Angel4576]

^^ Can't argue with that

 

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Angel4576 said:
^^ Can't argue with that

You better not!