Big Trek events that would NOT be affected by the time travel

[Mr Nighttime]

Somehow I don't think Old Spock would be telling everyone what is going to happen and changing events as a consultant.

Did we learn nothing from the Edith Keeler fiasco?

 

[Kaziarl]

Depending on whether or not he was on Vulcan at the time, Tuvok may not have become friends with Captain Janeway and went with the Maquis to the Delta Quadrant, thereby prompting Janeway to take Voyager into the Badlands to look for him.

With only about 10,000 Vulcans Left, it's improbable that Tuvok will even exist. The Star Trek Encyclopedia dates his birth to 2264, 6 years after the events of this movie. What are the chances his parent's made it off Vulcan alive, unless they were off-planet at the time?

They might not have been on Vulcan. Wasn't he born off world? I know they could have moved elsewhere at some point in those 6 years, but who knows.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I was wondering if he were born on Vulcan.

Actually, I've often wondered about this. Give all we've ever seen of Vulcan, it's safe to assume that the whole planet is pretty much the same climate.

If this is true, why is there a percentage of the population with such a high amount of melanin in their skin unless they were from someplace else?

On the other hand, I doubt Vulcans have had space travel long enough to establish such a drastic evolutionary change.

Also, I've found it curious that Tuvie was perceived as the "odd-ball" when really, it almost makes more sense for Vulcans to be dark-skinned.

 

[Captain MAJ]

I don't recall where Tuvok was born. But the odds that both his parents would be among 10,000 survivors out of a population of 6 billion is what.....1:300,000.

(That's 6 billion inhabitants divided by 10,000 survivors divided by 2 since that's how many parents he had. I know it's not very scientific but I need more variables!!!)

 

[Elemental]

Depending on whether or not he was on Vulcan at the time, Tuvok may not have become friends with Captain Janeway and went with the Maquis to the Delta Quadrant, thereby prompting Janeway to take Voyager into the Badlands to look for him.

Hmm not bad. Voyager not being in the Delta Quadrant could have all sorts of major effects. Obviously this doesn't just depend on Tuvok; any number of the changes to the Federation by the movie could result in this happening, but Tuvok is a very good example. First that comes to mind is Species 8472. Will they now succeed at destroying the Borg and invade the rest of the galaxy?

 

[gimpy117]

the time travel device is still on that one planet....

 

[M'Sharak]

I was wondering if he were born on Vulcan.

Tuvok's birthplace is given as 'Vulcanis Lunar Colony', exact whereabouts uncertain (one fanon source situates it on Earth's moon), but presumably not on Vulcan.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tuvok
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Vulcanis_Lunar_Colony

 

[Jeri]

I was wondering if he were born on Vulcan.

Tuvok's birthplace is given as 'Vulcanis Lunar Colony', exact whereabouts uncertain (one fanon source situates it on Earth's moon), but presumably not on Vulcan.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tuvok
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Vulcanis_Lunar_Colony

Thanks! I thought I remembered he was not born on Vulcan. And according to your link, it said so in three episodes.

 

[CorporalClegg]

So perhaps Tuvie lives!

You know, maybe this time around, since Sulu isn't such a prig, he decides to stay in Starfleet the first time and eventually becomes the captain of Voyager leaving Katie as the lowly Science Officer...

Food for thought.

 

[Jeri]

I'm a fan of Tuvok (and Tim Russ). He needs to be around.

 

[trampledamage]

So perhaps Tuvie lives!

You know, maybe this time around, since Sulu isn't such a prig, he decides to stay in Starfleet the first time and eventually becomes the captain of Voyager leaving Katie as the lowly Science Officer...

Food for thought.

I doubt Kate will stay a lowly Science Officer! But with Tuvok staying in Fleet the first time, that means he won't be her security officer which means he won't be undercover with the Maquis...

If Tuvok is Captain of Voyager, do they stay in the Delta Quadrant?

 

[salasa]

I'd been meaning to bring this up as a discussion point for a while but never got around to it. If it has already been discussed elsewhere, my apologies. As we all know, the timeline was permanently altered due to Nero's interference. However, in the 40 plus years of history, we've seen A LOT of big events happen. My question to you is: Can you think of any major Trek events that Nero's interference in the timeline would not be expected to interfere with, and that will almost certainly have to be dealt with in a different manner now because of the changes?

Here's my view on things. In previous Trek episodes involving time travel, the crew was always able to correct the damage and restore the timeline quickly. The events that disrupted the timeline were relatively minor - a social worker gets killed, a UFO (Enterprise) was detected, a protester saves hostages and becomes a hero.

But in ST11, I don't think it's the timeline as being affected but a new timeline being created. If I go back and kill my grandfather, do I no longer exist in the current timeline or is a separate timeline created?

In ST11, I see Spock drawn into a new timeline being created. Thoughts?

 

[Elemental]

^Yes, that is the view of time travel that this movie took. I don't see what that has to do with my original question though... All the same major forces that were at work will be and have been unless Nero's interference disrupted them in some way. The reason the movie would have strongly suggested this as an "alternate" timeline was to pay respect to the previous one by acknowledging that it still exists and not causing an uproar from angry Trekkies.

 

[FlapJoy]

Somehow I don't think Old Spock would be telling everyone what is going to happen and changing events as a consultant.

Did we learn nothing from the Edith Keeler fiasco?

It's an alternate reality, everything has already changed. The planet Vulcan is GONE!!!

 

[Jeri]

There are about a jillion threads on the time-travel topic. O&K said the time travel concept in this movie was a departure from all previous Trek time travel; it is paradoxless.

 

[CorporalClegg]

If Tuvok is Captain of Voyager, do they stay in the Delta Quadrant?

Well, if the needs of the many outweigh those of the few or the one, then I suppose they do.

 

[Jeri]

And more importantly, does he like to make desserts?

 

[Chrisisall]

Spock's body was regenerated because Kirk's love interest and their son created the Genesis device. Will Kirk have a son? Will he even have met Dr. Marcus? Will the two of them use unstable protomatter for their experiments?

None of that will ever happen in this timeline (thankfully- sorry, I hate the whole "Kirk's son" thing- won't birth control be ANY easier in the 23rd??).
The Doomsday machine will be destroyed in an entirely different way.
Khan's ship will float free of detection.
V'Ger will still come, and Heaven help Earth if Kirk & Spock aren't in time to deal with it.
The whale mess can still be handled in the same way as in STIV, but by CAPTAIN Kirk.
Trelane will have to play with other interstellar vessles- prolly the Gorn ship.
The Iotions, an immitative people, will have to find some other BOOK to immitate.
Vol will still be fed.
Apollo will die of lonlieness.

OMG- it's endless.

Put me in the neural neutralizer already!!!

 

[EnsignRicky]

Scotty's gut.


-Fat Ricky

 

[BorgPhil]

nothing is guaranteed to happen the way it did.

for example, a homeless Vulcan could fly off, stumble across the whale probe and accidentally destroy it.

Any event could be affected, regardless of how remote it seems