Spoilers Beyond Enterprise vs Into Darkness Enterprise

[Tosk]

Now, we only saw this refit briefly and from above and behind--so the nacelle supports weren't all that visible.

That's what I keep thinking. Are any of the "new" changes ones that can definitively be shown not to have happened in STID? Otherwise, it can just be that the ship got refitted in that film and that's all she wrote. There's no need to explain it in STB. (Unless it ties into why Carol Marcus is MIA. )

 

[ricardocube]

That's what I keep thinking. Are any of the "new" changes ones that can definitively be shown not to have happened in STID? Otherwise, it can just be that the ship got refitted in that film and that's all she wrote. There's no need to explain it in STB. (Unless it ties into why Carol Marcus is MIA. )

The change in phaser banks is a definite. They even changed that from teaser trailer to the second trailer.

Below is the enterprise in her final shot in Into Darkness....

 

[saddestmoon]

I'm loving the swept back nacelle struts - of all the new changes (and I like the majority of changes), they are the one change I'm absolutely ecstatic about.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That's what I keep thinking. Are any of the "new" changes ones that can definitively be shown not to have happened in STID? Otherwise, it can just be that the ship got refitted in that film and that's all she wrote. There's no need to explain it in STB. (Unless it ties into why Carol Marcus is MIA. )

The nacelles were definitely full-size and not swept back at the end of Into Darkness, but that said, I'm pretty sure we're supposed to pretend that's when the changes occurred. I'm happy to play along.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Wouldn't it make sense to assume that any discrepancies in appearance are due to the fact that there will likely be a new Enterprise at the end of the film - a nuEnterprise-A?

 

[Tiberius Jim]

Nope, because you can see

Spoiler

the discrepancies (phasers, swept back pylons) present on the Enterprise as it's being shredded by the swarm ships

in the trailer

 

[Jedi_Master]

Nope, because you can see

Spoiler

the discrepancies (phasers, swept back pylons) present on the Enterprise as it's being shredded by the swarm ships

in the trailer

Oh ok, thanks. Maybe the refits will take place at the space station/rest planet that the crew appears to visit before getting attacked by the Swarm.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

The nacelles were definitely full-size and not swept back at the end of Into Darkness, but that said, I'm pretty sure we're supposed to pretend that's when the changes occurred. I'm happy to play along.

We will have to play along

Look at the bridge of the BOP from ST 3 vs. ST 4. Night n day

ST 3 white interior n cpt chair raised MUCH higher
ST 4 rustic netal interior cpt chair normal

 

[Kemaiku]

Or she had a swap out during the 2.5 years since then, either way.

 

[Timo]

A warp engine swap might be among the more easily field-doable refits, what with these things being modular and at the ends of easily severed dangling bits and all. Perhaps phaser banks also are modular, with berths all around the saucers just waiting for the gun modules to be plugged in, and Starfleet at some point decided it could afford a few more on the hero ship.

The Klingon bridge thing is different, because we don't have to think the two rooms are the same. Both could coexist inside the tiny starship, for different purposes (Kruge's blue facility wasn't even called the Bridge in dialogue - only an unseen facility was, over the comms). We can't argue that the various nuEnterprises would be different ships, though.

Or perhaps we can, considering the rate at which nuKirk goes through those! It would appear extraordinary for him to keep a ship intact for more than two years...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ricardocube]

So if it is an actual refit, there begs a question. Why would Starfleet remove two nacelles and their pylons and engineer replacements which as basically the same but smaller. Maybe warp technology has moved on so the warp engines no longer had to be as large or heavy. But why the same design? Why the stealth refit?

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Making the neck thinner (and more prone to attack) was obviously a mistake on Starfleet's part judging by the trailer. It makes me wonder if Justin linn decided to add extra vulnerability into the enterprise to make it easier to decapitate.

 

[Kemaiku]

Vengeance's super drive, tailored to the Enterprise after the hearings on Earth. Done.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Interview with the film's VFX people about changes to the Enterprise. The neck and pylons were made thinner to make the ship better resemble the original TV series version, as well as make the ship more vulnerable for the swarm attack. Also confirmed that the USS Franklin's design reflects Enterprise NX-01, from the same era.

 

[ricardocube]

Interview with the film's VFX people about changes to the Enterprise. The neck and pylons were made thinner to make the ship better resemble the original TV series version, as well as make the ship more vulnerable for the swarm attack. Also confirmed that the USS Franklin's design reflects Enterprise NX-01, from the same era.

Great. Pretty much answers this thread, from a directorial point of view.

 

[fireproof78]

Interview with the film's VFX people about changes to the Enterprise. The neck and pylons were made thinner to make the ship better resemble the original TV series version, as well as make the ship more vulnerable for the swarm attack. Also confirmed that the USS Franklin's design reflects Enterprise NX-01, from the same era.

Thank you for sharing. Such an incredible amount of detail that these artists are putting in to it. I'll be curious to see what the Ent-A will be, given these design parameters.

So if it is an actual refit, there begs a question. Why would Starfleet remove two nacelles and their pylons and engineer replacements which as basically the same but smaller. Maybe warp technology has moved on so the warp engines no longer had to be as large or heavy. But why the same design? Why the stealth refit?

Spoiler

Making the neck thinner (and more prone to attack) was obviously a mistake on Starfleet's part judging by the trailer. It makes me wonder if Justin linn decided to add extra vulnerability into the enterprise to make it easier to decapitate.

A thought occurs to me. Perhaps Starfleet redesigned it for the 5 year mission, with a more streamlined design for travel. The focus was probably less on combat, as well as the fact that the Enterprise was still a very large vessel so it could probably handle most threats. It certainly had proven it could take a beating and survive.

Changes in technology after the Vengeance incident probably resulted in a couple of refits for being out in space for so long.

 

[ricardocube]

Thank you for sharing. Such an incredible amount of detail that these artists are putting in to it. I'll be curious to see what the Ent-A will be, given these design parameters.

Well technically, the enterprise A should look exactly the same as this refit if they follow the prime timeline. We wait and see.

 

[fireproof78]

Well technically, the enterprise A should look exactly the same as this refit if they follow the prime timeline. We wait and see.

I doubt it will look exactly the same.

 

[drt]

While I liked the '09/ID Enterprise, I'm digging the Beyond version, can't wait for the Eaglemoss version to come out (since that's looking like the only replica of it that will be made).

 

[ricardocube]

A couple of photoshopped pictures to tickle the appetite. The Fastback Enterprise in retro and new forms.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Interview with the film's VFX people about changes to the Enterprise. The neck and pylons were made thinner to make the ship better resemble the original TV series version, as well as make the ship more vulnerable for the swarm attack.

I don't understand this at all. I thought the point of the Swarm was that even the mightiest ship can be brought down by the relentless onslaught of thousands of small vessels. I don't see why they needed to make the Enterprise look "more vulnerable".