While Enterprise definitely improved during its fourth year, at the same time it stayed in the rut it had carved already. Everything was sort of good, but never really surpassed what had come before. They had already squandered too many years to make the show truly relevant; my feeling is that ENT season 4 had no big stand-out offerings, which definitely hurt the season overall. Even Voyager got "Year of Hell," "Message in a Bottle," and "Living Witness." TNG had "Family," "Brothers," "Reunion," "The Wounded," and "The Drumhead," while DS9 of course had the "The Visitor," and almost everything else. In the end, for me it's a tough call between TNG and DS9, but I had to go with TNG, mostly for selfish and nostalgic reasons 
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Yeah they dealt with all of those subjects, but the stories and episodes themselves that dealt with those subjects were still not very good. Nowhere near as good as DS9, and probably TNG. Besides, the Mirror Universe is/was a vastly overdone and overused concept, and the explanation for the Klingon "changes" bordered on laughable.ktanner3 said:
We got episodes dealing with the beginning of Section 31,we got to see more of planet Vulcan and the meaning of IDIC,we got an explanation of the different Klingons thoughout the eras,episodes dealing with the Eugenic wars,the martian colonies,and a two parter set in the Mirror Universe.If only it had been like this from the beginning......
DS9 wins the fourth season competition.
Voyager. It peaked during its fourth season, which was its best overall, I think. Plus, I wouldn't exactly be Hirogen Alpha if I didn't like the whole Hirogen arc, now would I?
A tough choice, though. TNG finally found its footing in year four, DS9 started to really do something interesting in year four, and Enterprise redeemed itself in year ofur.
A tough choice, though. TNG finally found its footing in year four, DS9 started to really do something interesting in year four, and Enterprise redeemed itself in year ofur.
That's exactly how I felt about those episodes. Yeah, it was cool that they were dealing with these important Trek ideas, but the way they were doing it just didn't work. Basically, it was a "too little, too late" sort of thing. Had season 4 been season 1 (with some changes about character intros, of course) then we would be having a completely different conversation right now.Jonesy said:
Yeah they dealt with all of those subjects, but the stories and episodes themselves that dealt with those subjects were still not very good.ktanner3 said:
We got episodes dealing with the beginning of Section 31,we got to see more of planet Vulcan and the meaning of IDIC,we got an explanation of the different Klingons thoughout the eras,episodes dealing with the Eugenic wars,the martian colonies,and a two parter set in the Mirror Universe.If only it had been like this from the beginning......
DS9's 4th season was remarkably solid, with only one real stinker: "Muse". So DS9 all the way
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-Maybe overdone on DS9, not Enterprise since this was the only time the concept was used on the show. The mirror episode on Enterprise was totally different in that the entire episode played like a version of "Enterprise:Rise of the Teran Empire" with an alternate title sequence and no appearances by the good side.It was a totally original way of doing a mirror universe episode in a way that we hadn't seen before and allowed us to see other tie-ins to the TOS(Gorn,lost ship from "Tholian Web",Tholians) without screwing the continuity.I thought it was excellent and much better than the majority of mirror episodes on DS9.
-I find Worf's explanation of "we don't discuss it with outsiders" to be laughable considering Kirk's crew met both types of Klingons and didn't find it to be the least bit strange like DS9's crew did. Seems to me that any federation member would see a discrempency with the ridges while scrolling thru a "History of Klingons" manual at the academy or while studying Kirk's encounters with them.I just never bought it. But to each his own.
^^I agree that the ENT mirror eps were great fun, but I didn't find them to be riveting nor essential Star Trek. I could listen to that redone title sequence all day, but in the end something meaningful and affecting like "The Visitor" hits me harder.
As for the Klingons, that's a losing battle either way. I was happy with Worf's line being a throw-away little joke for the fans, but Enterprise seeemed to think it needed an explanation. Definitely a "to each his own" situation, but there're always a million different interpretations for any Trek moment. As the Vulcans would say...
IDIC.
As for the Klingons, that's a losing battle either way. I was happy with Worf's line being a throw-away little joke for the fans, but Enterprise seeemed to think it needed an explanation. Definitely a "to each his own" situation, but there're always a million different interpretations for any Trek moment. As the Vulcans would say...
IDIC.
They're all damn good and pretty close in terms of quality but I think DS9 edges them out.
DS9, with TNG in a very close second. Both of these shows were in their heydays, so Enterprise and Voyager can't even hope to compete.
Enterprise's 4th Season had a couple of good stories, but I feel it hardly deserves the worshipful praise it receives. Voyager had more quality stories in its 4th season than Enterprise, though it also had a greater number of weak episodes. Overall, I'd still rank it higher than Enterprise.
Enterprise's 4th Season had a couple of good stories, but I feel it hardly deserves the worshipful praise it receives. Voyager had more quality stories in its 4th season than Enterprise, though it also had a greater number of weak episodes. Overall, I'd still rank it higher than Enterprise.
TNG. Best season of TNG. I'm a huge Enterprise fan, but I loved seasons one and two best, three was well enough, and four was the weakest for me (not surprising since those who would vote Enterprise least favorite probably like season 4 best). Of course for Voyager, that was the season of 7, correct? That's probably Voyager's best season, but TNG is over all a better show. So I'm sticking with TNG. With Enterprise bowing out, TNG, Voyager, DS9 will be my order for seasons 5-7.
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Excellent seasons all round. My vote went to season 4 of Enterprise. I had a fangasm about every week. My order of preference:
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Deep Space Nine
The Next Generation
Voyager
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