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B'elanna Torres pairing - Tom or Harry

I think we're talking about different things. I don't disagree that once he accepted that they were lost for good that he should start looking for someone else. I'm talking about early on in their journey when they still thought they might find a shortcut home.
Right, well the vast majority of the crew -- Maquis, or otherwise -- would find it difficult to just "accept" their fate and leave it at that. There would be that period of adjustment that Common Sense would dictate. So, even if there were a crewman who was eager to accept things and move on, they'd still have to wait for the others to come around. And, of course, there would be few, if any, who would immediately abandon their sense of commitment and loyalty to their Significant Other back home. They wouldn't -- they couldn't -- expect a clean break from it.

But ... after a few months of lonely days ... and desperate nights, spent on cold sheets ... hanging on to the songs of yesterday seems to make less sense, maybe, than it did before. Tension increases ... frustration amplifies ... maybe the Holodeck might take the edge off, at first, but only at first. Then people start looking around, as they begin to realise that people are already pairing off. And nobody wants to have to resort to lowering their sights ....
 
Right, well the vast majority of the crew -- Maquis, or otherwise -- would find it difficult to just "accept" their fate and leave it at that. There would be that period of adjustment that Common Sense would dictate. So, even if there were a crewman who was eager to accept things and move on, they'd still have to wait for the others to come around. And, of course, there would be few, if any, who would immediately abandon their sense of commitment and loyalty to their Significant Other back home. They wouldn't -- they couldn't -- expect a clean break from it.

But ... after a few months of lonely days ... and desperate nights, spent on cold sheets ... hanging on to the songs of yesterday seems to make less sense, maybe, than it did before. Tension increases ... frustration amplifies ... maybe the Holodeck might take the edge off, at first, but only at first. Then people start looking around, as they begin to realise that people are already pairing off. And nobody wants to have to resort to lowering their sights ....
Right, that's what I mean, after a few months. So if they were trying to make B'Elanna and Harry a couple it would make more sense in the 2nd season rather than the first when he was still holding out hope for Libby
 
Harry wasn't ready to commit and that bore itself out, time and again. Harry was very much in need of seasoning. Unfortunately, Tom's advice and guidance were wasted on him. Hell, even the Captain tried to have Kim's tendency towards exaggerated infatuation with women medically treated by the EMH, but it was too much a part of who he was, to ever hope to escape from it. Can a leopard change its spots, Sophie? That's the question nobody seems to have an answer for.
 
Harry wasn't ready to commit and that bore itself out, time and again. Harry was very much in need of seasoning. Unfortunately, Tom's advice and guidance were wasted on him. Hell, even the Captain tried to have Kim's tendency towards exaggerated infatuation with women medically treated by the EMH, but it was too much a part of who he was, to ever hope to escape from it. Can a leopard change its spots, Sophie? That's the question nobody seems to have an answer for.
From personal experience...no it can't change it's spots
 
Harry had plenty of chances to ask Q to transform him from a zero ... into a Hero. But, he never took advantage of such opportunity, so that VOY could continue to spin yarns about his way with women for our entertainment. And Q probably would've done it, too. You know? Take pity on the poor bastard, so that he can experience The Very Best that Life has to offer ...
 
Harry Kim needed a character makeover. Not every STAR TREK series has to have some holodeck-addicted failure with women. It was already old hat, way, way back when Barclay was doing his worst in TNG. Let's hope that DISCOVERY does away with those kinds of lame characters. I'm not entertained by them, they only slow everything down. They get in the way of good and better stories being told. Had Kim gotten killed off in "Scorpion," would it have mattered? Thank Providence for Torres hooking up with Tom. She was so much better for his image. So much better ...
 
I actually disagree that Harry needed a makeover. I liked his journey from the young fresh out of the academy kid to the more experienced more confident officer he became
 
Harry Kim needed a character makeover. Not every STAR TREK series has to have some holodeck-addicted failure with women.

Holodeck-addicted? Did we ever see Kim using the holodeck when it wasn't one of the all-ship programs or Paris dragging him into something? Outside of him playing Captain Proton with his buddy, he didn't use the holodeck any more than anyone else, did he?

Edit: Wait, no, he was the one doing the "Beowulf" program, I guess. So he used the Holodeck for a personal program once.
 
A Harry/B'Elanna pairing would have died a quick death. Harry is too much of a milquetoast, and B'Elanna was still Klingon enough that she would never put up with somebody like that. At least Tom is exciting enough for her that their marriage can work. But at the first sign of B'Elanna asserting her Klingon traits, Harry would fold up like a deck chair, and what Klingon would tolerate that?

Then again, B'Elanna's own parents...her mother was the Klingon, and Mr. Torres was even more of a wimp than Harry, so I guess opposite sometimes do attract. :lol:
 
Some people in real life relate to awkward characters such as Harry. Personally, they make me kind of uncomfortable as I was like that when I was younger, but I I aspire to be more like heroic characters.

Kor
 
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Unrelatedly, in Prime Factors - or as may actually be remembered, The One With The Lecherous Belgian Bun-Headed Man, Lt. Carey had a line: He's got a wife and two kids, and would do anything for them not to grow up without a father.

If Carey cares so damn much about his wife and kids, then why was he hitting on Seven in "Relativity"?
 
Harry Kim was not a wimp. Inexperienced, and a bit too hopeful, yes. But he was not wimp. He also managed to develop into an experienced officer. But he was still the youngest member of the Senior staff and less mature than the others. And there are some aspects of his personality that never changed. Which is only natural.

As for a possible romance between him and B'Elanna . . . I never really saw it. Not between those two. For all of Harry's inner strength (and he had it), I don't think he could have dealt with a long term romance with B'Elanna.
 
If we refer to the first 15 min of Endgame (the scenes which will happen in the future), it seems to me that older Harry Kim, ranked Captain, was still single when he attended to 10th Voyager's Homecoming party. Single, a little out of his place and tired (seriously, he didn't look good, our poor Harry!), contrary to Janeway who, with her 30 years older, was in better shape than him! ;)

As Janeway, he sacrificed his love life to his duty of Starfleet officer, from Enseign to Captain.
 
If we refer to the first 15 min of Endgame (the scenes which will happen in the future), it seems to me that older Harry Kim, ranked Captain, was still single when he attended to 10th Voyager's Homecoming party. Single, a little out of his place and tired (seriously, he didn't look good, our poor Harry!), contrary to Janeway who, with her 30 years older, was in better shape than him! ;)

As Janeway, he sacrificed his love life to his duty of Starfleet officer, from Enseign to Captain.
It seems that many people with command aspirations do not have families. Picard didn't.

On another note i think old Harry didn't look as good as old Janeway because the actor needed more makep
 
Holodeck-addicted? Did we ever see Kim using the holodeck when it wasn't one of the all-ship programs or Paris dragging him into something? Outside of him playing Captain Proton with his buddy, he didn't use the holodeck any more than anyone else, did he?

Edit: Wait, no, he was the one doing the "Beowulf" program, I guess. So he used the Holodeck for a personal program once.
Marayna was the personification of everything wrong with the Harry Kim character ... in one, complete package!
 
Marayna was the personification of everything wrong with the Harry Kim character ... in one, complete package!
Because he fell for her?

Honestly I can see how someone can fall for a hologram. If they look in a way that is appealing to you, act in a way that you like, I can see how you can forget that they're not real.
 
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