Before Dishonor & Greater Than the Sum (Spoilers)

[jhempel24]

Okay, just a couple of comments, then a question.

I've found the best line in Trek history (what limited knowledge I have of it), in my opinion in Before Dishonor -- Worf: "My foots asleep"

I really enjoyed Greater Than the Sum, I love the character of T'Ryssa. And even the family story, but there's one thing that bothers me:

My question is about the Picard/Crusher baby, they will be what 70-75 years old by the time the kid is 20? Wow, is that even safe at their age?

I assume that there's leaps and bounds more technology in preserving life, but I guess I"m under the impression that you shouldn't be in diapers the moment your kids are out.

I freak out because I'll be 49 when my kid turns 20.

 

[Baerbel Haddrell]

How old is Vaughn? He is more than 100.

I don`t see any problems here. I would classify Picard and Crusher as late middle age and I think that is definitely not too old. I would even say that having more life experience than a young parent is even beneficial.

Well, I am nearly 49 and have a six year old daughter. There is no need to freak out. I think having a child later in life benefits all of us, the parents and my daughter.

 

[JoeZhang]

I've often wondered if that's partly why Vaughan was introduced? to show older active officers than our TV crews (who are all getting long in the tooth by our standards).

 

[JoeZhang]

Okay, just a couple of comments, then a question.

I've found the best line in Trek history (what limited knowledge I have of it), in my opinion in Before Dishonor -- Worf: "My foots asleep"

I really enjoyed Greater Than the Sum, I love the character of T'Ryssa. And even the family story, but there's one thing that bothers me:

My question is about the Picard/Crusher baby, they will be what 70-75 years old by the time the kid is 20? Wow, is that even safe at their age?

Picard is already knocking 80, so he's be about 100 when the kid hit 20.

 

[Paris]

Okay, just a couple of comments, then a question.

I've found the best line in Trek history (what limited knowledge I have of it), in my opinion in Before Dishonor -- Worf: "My foots asleep"

I really enjoyed Greater Than the Sum, I love the character of T'Ryssa. And even the family story, but there's one thing that bothers me:

My question is about the Picard/Crusher baby, they will be what 70-75 years old by the time the kid is 20? Wow, is that even safe at their age?

I assume that there's leaps and bounds more technology in preserving life, but I guess I"m under the impression that you shouldn't be in diapers the moment your kids are out.

I freak out because I'll be 49 when my kid turns 20.

According to memory alpha (and Beta for that matter) Picard was born in 2305 and Beverly was born in 2324. This means that when their baby is 20 in 2402 (or maybe 2401 depending on when the baby is born). This means that Picard will be 96-97 and Beverly will be 77-78. Kind of crazy, eh?

 

[JoeZhang]

Wait a minute.. how do their personal timelines work?

I thought that Jack Crusher was a contemporary of Picard's in terms of age. Yet he seems to have died when he was about @ 30-35? Bev was 20?

 

[Paris]

Wait a minute.. how do their personal timelines work?

I thought that Jack Crusher was a contemporary of Picard's in terms of age. Yet he seems to have died when he was about @ 30-35? Bev was 20?

Jack Crusher doesn't even show up on the Stargazer until later in Picard's command. It was never established that they were contemporaries in age, only that they were best friends. I'd assume that Jack and Beverly were roughly the same age...

 

[jhempel24]

That's a lot of responses in a short amount of time wow!

I didn't know Vaughn was like 100, I don't know too much about him yet. Once I get through Titan and Destiny, I'm taking a break from Star Trek books because it will be like 13 books in a row.

Baerbel, thanks for the input on the other thing. Yeah, I think it's better to have them later, you have a better grasp on yourself and what you want.

 

[adamczar]

I assume also that medical technology is such that, in the future, "70 is the new 30". McCoy lived long enough to be around in the TNG era. I feel like there are other examples that I can't think of, but it seems to me like advances in medical technology are letting humans live long enough so that their 110 years may feel like our 70.

 

[Christopher]

My question is about the Picard/Crusher baby, they will be what 70-75 years old by the time the kid is 20? Wow, is that even safe at their age?

I assume that there's leaps and bounds more technology in preserving life, but I guess I"m under the impression that you shouldn't be in diapers the moment your kids are out.

I refer you to this post made yesterday in the Rihannsu thread:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2493684&postcount=32

 

[William Leisner]

Wait a minute.. how do their personal timelines work?

I thought that Jack Crusher was a contemporary of Picard's in terms of age. Yet he seems to have died when he was about @ 30-35? Bev was 20?

FWIW, actor Doug Wert was 29 when he appeared in "Family" as the holo of brand-new dad Jack Crusher. Beverly, per her bio, would have been 24 at the time.

 

[JoeZhang]

How was crusher killed? I had a look on the web and it says he was killed in an away mission but nothing more.

Is this covered in one of the shows? one of the books?

 

[William Leisner]

^ Reunion by Michael Jan Friedman

 

[Christopher]

How was crusher killed?

Wouldn't it be ironic if he'd been crushed?

 

[Stevil2001]

If I remember right, there's also some vague details in David Gerrold's Encounter at Farpoint novelization that conflict with what Mike later established.

 

[Paris]

How was crusher killed?

Wouldn't it be ironic if he'd been crushed?

 

[KRAD]

Thanks to Gerrold's acrimonious departure from TNG, there's a lot in that novelisation that's inconsistent with what would come later.....

 

[Hartzilla2007]

^ Reunion by Michael Jan Friedman

And Death in Winter.

 

[JD]

Here's what it says happened on his Memory Beta entry.

In 2354, the Stargazer encountered an unknown anomaly later termed a Nensi phenomenon, which crippled the ship and caused a dangerous energy build-up in the starboard nacelle. Crusher and Lieutenant Peter Joseph both volunteered to go outside the ship to detach the nacelle with phaser rifles. In the course of this operation, Crusher was caught in an explosion, though was successful in cutting the nacelle free. Joseph, who had panicked and left Crusher alone, feigned unconsciouness when he saw Picard on his way to retrieve his men, and allowed himself to be "rescued" while Crusher perished. Joseph later claimed both men had been overcome by the energy cycling in the nacelle. (TNG novel: Reunion)
The novelization of TNG pilot episode" Encounter at Farpoint" establishes that Crusher was made the Stargazer's first officer in 2349, and died three months later during an away mission where the natives had turned violently against the visitors. This is contradicted by information later established in the TV series, as well as the Star Trek: Stargazer stories and others.

 

[Christopher]

And there's a slight discrepancy between Reunion and canon, because in a later episode, there's a reference to Jack dying on an away mission, not an EVA. But the description is ambiguous enough that it's easily glossed over.