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Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

Discovery Season 2?
My less than successful attempt at humour. DSC S2 premiered on a 17th of January. The new Batwoman is Black (like Michael Burnham). Burnham is (unfairly) frequently accused of being a Mary Sue. If she was a Mary Sue, then she could also take time to be the new Batwoman while doing all the other improbably awesome stuff she does (she even has a time travel suit and everything).

However, I clearly failed at my attempt, since I had to "explain the joke". Ah well. Can't win 'em all.
 
Ok, now I see.
I thought you were saying that it was going to premiere on the same day where you are. Which confused me, because I assumed that by now everybody would have gotten it.
 
Ok, now I see.
I thought you were saying that it was going to premiere on the same day where you are. Which confused me, because I assumed that by now everybody would have gotten it.
Well, there's a reason why I get my best laughs in class when I repeat actual comedian's jokes rather than with my own (they sometimes get a chuckle, but stealing from Carlin and Monty Python works better for me). ;)
 
FOr me... the fact that SOphie didn't take over is just mindboggling to me. If they had done that, they would still have a black Batwoman, with a relatively easy change in writing and casting
The actress did not meet their casting requirements.
 
Not gay enough?

I rewatched 7 seasons of the good wife last month... And they vieled Kalinda in season one, you could ignore her homosexuality if you winced, by season 3 she was in her underwear post coitus talking to her nearly naked lover just like the straight folks.

Progress.
 
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It's offensive to assume that Sophie would've worked just as well as Ryan, as if all black women were interchangeable and had no attributes beyond their race and sex. Nobody would assume that, say, Oliver Queen and Gary from Legends could fill the same role just because they're both white men with brown hair.

Obviously whatever direction they want to go with for Ryan Wilder as a character is incompatible with who Sophie is besides a lesbian woman of color. Those are just part of who she is, not her entire identity.
 
A gay superhero would only help with tourism if the Gotham tourism board decided to capitalise on their gay superhero.

Imagine the ad buy?
 
It's offensive to assume that Sophie would've worked just as well as Ryan, as if all black women were interchangeable and had no attributes beyond their race and sex. Nobody would assume that, say, Oliver Queen and Gary from Legends could fill the same role just because they're both white men with brown hair.

Obviously whatever direction they want to go with for Ryan Wilder as a character is incompatible with who Sophie is besides a lesbian woman of color. Those are just part of who she is, not her entire identity.

Promoting from within is cool.

I would have pegged Mary over Sophie though.
 
It's offensive to assume that Sophie would've worked just as well as Ryan, as if all black women were interchangeable and had no attributes beyond their race and sex. Nobody would assume that, say, Oliver Queen and Gary from Legends could fill the same role just because they're both white men with brown hair.

Obviously whatever direction they want to go with for Ryan Wilder as a character is incompatible with who Sophie is besides a lesbian woman of color. Those are just part of who she is, not her entire identity.

@Christopher , your approach to racism seems really wack (comparing this post on racism vs. other types you have done, such as on Jimmy Olsen)

The reasons why Sophie would be a seamless fit are plentiful:


1. She loves Kate

2. She knows Kate is Batwoman

3. Kate would trust her to take over the mantle

4. She has the same military training & prowess as Kate

5. She already knows the main characters

6. She knows how the Crows are run (and thus avoid them realisitically)

7. She has doubts about how the Crows are run (at least sometimes)

8. She has an ex-fiance that she can coax to take her place (i.e. relieve the guilt she felt over placing her career over her love; have an easy excuse to leave)

9. We don’t have to waste time with yet another “building the team” season arc


I think it would be great if there was more than 1 black female character, but the new one just seems unneccessary. I suppose they COULD use this as opportunity to bring back Ruby Rose in some flashbacks here and there (as well as use stock footage form season 1), but a new character really doesn’t need to be done.

As for replacing Oliver Queen... You could easily fit in ROy Harper or Thea...or heck, even grab Mia from the future, kinda like Nora from Flash.

And speaking of Flash, you could easily do Wally West (if the actor were up to it; certainly would fit in from comic book history), Nora (if they were so inclined to bring her back; she certainly was well loved), Jesse Quick (if they figured out how she got her powers this multiverse), Jay Garrick (if you just need the Flash... they have been doing The Team much more these last few seasons anyway).

@TREK_GOD_1 and others, please let me know if you feel I was really off base here., or if I have legitimate points




Mary? Batwoman is not a Kevin James stumble-fest.

Well, more like Seth-ROgen-esque Green Hornet to me, but point taken

There was absolutely no need - narratively or from a meta perspective - to replace Kate at all.

You know what we meant... and had this been a couple seasons down the road... narratively it could have fit more easily
 
@Christopher , your approach to racism seems really wack (comparing this post on racism vs. other types you have done, such as on Jimmy Olsen)

That is an undeniable fact.

The reasons why Sophie would be a seamless fit are plentiful:


1. She loves Kate

2. She knows Kate is Batwoman

3. Kate would trust her to take over the mantle

4. She has the same military training & prowess as Kate

5. She already knows the main characters

6. She knows how the Crows are run (and thus avoid them realisitically)

7. She has doubts about how the Crows are run (at least sometimes)

All logical points; Sophie actually believes in Batwoman's approach to / philosophy about crime-fighting, and being somewhat frustrated with Jacob's hard, obsessive methods, she would seek another way to serve justice, yet do it sans the restrictions of her official job.

9. We don’t have to waste time with yet another “building the team” season arc

Yes--that could be ironed out in three episodes, and Team Batwoman already knows much about Sophie--what kind of woman she is--so there would be a certain amount of trust in place to thaw any doubts about her motivations. One would expect conflicts from time to time (as witnessed during Kate's time in the suit), but her biggest battle would be with the dual identity / loyalty issues with Jacob.


@TREK_GOD_1 and others, please let me know if you feel I was really off base here., or if I have legitimate points

Not off base; Christopher L. Bennett is the hammered-in-stone example of the Arrogant White Liberal who sits on his Ivory Throne of Judgement, spewing claims he does not have the experience, and/or historical awareness to make. In other words, he is utterly unqualified to make any of his weak-minded judgements or conclusions. As in the case with his offensive comments about the James Olsen character, he's going all out to protect the gross shortcomings of Berlanti TV series (his well-known agenda), by trying to define what it means to be black. Offensive beyond belief--his ignorance walks in lockstep with his arrogance in trying to deny how much racial identity informs every waking moment of a black person's life, and should be a major part of any black character's development and story arc. This is not the editorials of Vox or MSNBC, where hordes of White Liberals routinely assume they occupy a certain throne, therefore are able to point their non-all knowing finger down, to telling everyone who or what they are--facts , experience and history be damned.

You are getting a crash course in that ill behavior wherever Christopher posts; its the same, astoundingly arrogant BS that had him using the J'onn character as some representation of the black experience when he--and the production company he so breathlessly defends--are so buried in offensive White Liberal propaganda that they tap-shuffle-tap right over the fact that an alien pretending to be black...is not black. Its not his history, blood memory or experience, especially when he--unlike real black people-cannot shape-shift into any race he desires. Psychologically, that ability prevents one from ever understanding who he has the option of not being at any time.

Now, this member is projecting his "I'm White and I Say So" BS on you and this series, by speaking for black people with that "Those are just part of who she is, not her entire identity" crap--forever proving he does not now--nor will he ever be qualified to speak about how a black person (or character) should be defined. considered, viewed, or that which shapes who they are. Yes, though White Liberals will never admit it, when it comes to black people, there is a long tradition rooted in racist perceptions that "we know best", ripping black identity and agency from them as if they were their dumb pets who need their "wisdom" or guiding hand.

Again, what are that member's experiences / education on such matters?

Nowhere to be found. He is the very reason so many black people have flat out rejected (and called out) White Liberals of his kind, as they work around the clock trying to tell others what to think, what to consider themselves (despite not being in a position to do so), and how characters based on black people should be presented--usually with deliberate neglect or their own sociopolitcal agendas having nothing to do with black concerns for character and audience member. Look to Supergirl's racist neglect / marginalizing of the Olsen character, the Star Wars sequels' modern-day minstrel-izing of Finn (and Boyega's statements about how he and his character were mistreated), or Star Trek Discovery's Walter Mosely's mistreatment by white writers for telling his own story on racism and use of the "N" word as directed at him. The most White Liberal entertainment properties of all, and this is how black employees and characters are treated...and the member you responded to is an ideological supporter of those beliefs / abuse from the Ivory Throne of Judgement.

Frankly, he is all over the place with his jaw-dropping ignorance of the black realities of this world, but at the end of it all, he will defend the indefensible, make offensive claims about what it means to be black and shame himself by cementing himself to that patently inane position.
 
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Frankly, he is all over the place with his jaw-dropping ignorance of the black realities of this world, but at the end of it all, he will defend the indefensible, make offensive claims about what it means to be black and shame himself by cementing himself to that patently inane position.

@TREK_GOD_1 - Do NOT make this personal. Either stick to the topic or leave it alone.
 
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