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Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

Mr. Adventure said:
The thing is intent really doesn't even matter, it either makes you think of the 66 batmobile or it doesn't. For what we've been discussing, it doesn't really matter if it was intended or not.
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It doesn't matter if you just say "It reminds me of the '66 Batmobie." It absolutely does matter if you say "They must have been copying the '66 Batmobile," because then you're not just talking about your own reactions, you're making an assumption about other people's motivations and choices.
 
Reverend said:
Anyone that looks at a sporty stylish black car with a red bat symbol on it and doesn't immediately think of the 60's batmobile has either not only never seen the old Adam West Batman show, but somehow managed to avoid any and all expose to it through cultural osmosis over the course of their entire lives (read: raised by a Luddite cult in the middle of the woods)...or they're lying and being deliberately obtuse.

With that out of the way, I stand by my initial critique; It's too long for Dick and too short for Richard.
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Nope.

Definitely wasn't my first through when I saw it - that was wondering about the make/model of car it was build on.
 
Christopher said:
It doesn't matter if you just say "It reminds me of the '66 Batmobie." It absolutely does matter if you say "They must have been copying the '66 Batmobile," because then you're not just talking about your own reactions, you're making an assumption about other people's motivations and choices.
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It's still not really germane to what was being discussed. Their motivation doesn't really matter even if I was possibly wrong in attributing it to them. Sorry if I somehow slighted them if I was possibly wrong.
 
Ovation said:
Too Danny Elfman for me (HATED that he replaced the originally intended composers for JL--I've never liked his Bat-themes).
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The shadow of Batman (1989) still looms large. (And I personally have many problems with that, though I did find quite a few things to like to Burton's first Bm film, as well.)

I share the want for greater variety, including in soundtrack music.

I agree that the Bw music is indeed Elfman-esque, but I suppose mileage varying explains why I find the opening theme to be a sufficiently interesting twist on that sort of composition for me to like it. Again, I think the ending theme is by far the better of the two themes, though; the snazzy synth texture separates it widely from the orchestral sound of Elfman.
 
Like it or not, Batman is as inexorably linked to the Elfman/Walker themes & musical style, as Superman is to the Williams theme and leitmotifs. It's a natural extension of the neo gothic "dark deco" look that's become the main touchstone for Gotham. Not every iteration has to directly use or even reference them, but even their absence is an unavoidable reaction to them.

For example, note how in the Nolan films he switched from Gotham a more stylised run-down look in 'Begins' to just straight up using Chicago with little to no embellishment in 'Dark Knight' and how the city instantly lost all sense of personality, and how weirdly out of place Batman suddenly felt. Which is unfortunate since Gotham needs to be a character in it's own right.*

We've yet to see Metropolis get a similar definitive treatment, but I always pictured it as the gleaming city of the future people in the 30's were told was just on the horizon. Not an actual modern city of glass rectangles and squat housing projects, but a streamlined version of bronzed spires of the art deco movement. "Neo deco", for lack of a better term (which has probably already be coined for something else, but I can't be bothered to check.) The practice of using New York as a stand-in always felt similarly devoid of personality as Nolan's Gotham in DK & DKR.

* Side note: IMO the best Gotham City ever put to film wasn't even in a Batman movie; David Finchers' 'Seven'. That city oozed personality...and it hated everyone that lived in it.​
 
^ Interesting take on Metropolis. As flawed as the show was, I thought Gotham did a decent job in its presentation of the titular city as a grungy 70s/80s NY pastiche. The only time it really screwed up was the one there forced in a new Mustang "batmobile" for one episode as part of a presumed misguided promotion. That seemed so completely out of place on that show.
 
I do my best to blot out the Elfman theme (it helps that I have all three Zimmer and co. Nolan scores in heavy rotation when I do my marking--and these days, I do A LOT of marking). I know it's popular--just not with me (he peaked with 80s Oingo Boingo as far as I'm concerned).

And while I am a fan of the Williams Superman score, I am also a big fan of the Man of Steel score (it's in the same playlist as the Nolan trilogy scores). In fact, in about an hour, I'm going to be marking another stack of assignments and Zimmer et al. will be in the headphones.
 
Have we gotten any references to Batgirl or Barbara Gordon in any of the Arrowverse shows?
 
JD said:
Have we gotten any references to Batgirl or Barbara Gordon in any of the Arrowverse shows?
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Only indirectly. In the Arrow episode where Oliver gave Felicity the codename Overwatch, he said he wanted to call her Oracle, but it was taken.

Also, we heard the voice of the Earth-203 (Birds of Prey) Barbara in Crisis on Infinite Earths.
 
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