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Bar and Grill 4: The Conversation Pit

Hi all. Been a while since i posted here. Glad to know that it survived.

I'm glad too, even though it feels like the thread has turned into a two person conversation about TV stuff. Glad there's someone else in here. ;)

It was kinda hard to jump in but i just burst through the walls.

I know what you mean. I don't watch Roswell so I'm not really up on the whole conversation. I have however been reintroducing myself to Farscape and the next one up is PK Tech Girl (I'm assuming, that's one of our mod's favorite episodes ;) ). Looking forward to seeing Jilana again.
 
I finally saw Casablanca for the very first time tonight. I've been wanting to see this movie for years but never got the chance until I rented it earlier this week. Bogart and Bergman had so much great chemistry together and it's awesome to hear so many familiar quotes in full context. I wish I can be Humphery Bogart when I grow up. He was so cool in this movie, with the nice tux, cynical attitude, and gun slinger motion at the end. That final scene at the airport had me on the edge of my seat. I'm not a fan of love dramas, but this one was engrossing the entire way through. It definately is one of the best movies of all time.
 
tomalak, you don't have to talk about Roswell. BigFoot and I are just using this thread because back around Christmas we both decided to watch Roswell and compare notes. I'm just ALOT slower than he is! :p

However, this thread is for every topic under the sun. We will post about Roswell in here as there is not really any other place to discuss it....but we can carry on a separate conversation about Farscape and/or Casablanca as well. :)

As for PK Tech Girl...yeah, I like that episode. But not really any more than any other. I just used it to craft a username because I thought it would be fun....and Farscape/Trek-esque at the same time. That said, it is a great episode.

As for Casablanca...well, there is a reason why many consider it to be the best film ever made. There is just not alot wrong with that movie. Interestingly enough, it was kinda thrown together - they were writing the script as they went along, and it was a very unorganized set because of that. But somehow, out of that craziness, a fabulous film was made. Bogart, Bergman, Paul Henreid, Claude Rains, Sidney Greenstreet, and Conrad Veidt all put in superior performances...and it's simply a great picture - Bogie's coolness, combined with the Bogie/Bergman chemistry, combined with the adventure and intrigue of the thing just makes it a tremendous film.

I've seen that film more times than I can count...but I never tire of it. :)

Glad you finally got to see it.

Believe it or not, however, Bogie did not win an Oscar for that performance. His only Oscar came from The African Queen, which was made in 1952. And in that one, his character could not BE any different from Rick Blaine.
 
tomalak, you don't have to talk about Roswell. BigFoot and I are just using this thread because back around Christmas we both decided to watch Roswell and compare notes. I'm just ALOT slower than he is! :p

And I have no problem with that. I like the fact that this thread is active. It's just that for about a week, it was pretty much between you two and people who did post in this thread were kind of ignored. Still, the dedication to a series and discussion is commendable. ;)

However, this thread is for every topic under the sun. We will post about Roswell in here as there is not really any other place to discuss it....but we can carry on a separate conversation about Farscape and/or Casablanca as well. :)

I hope so. I brought up Casablanca in here because I know how much of a fan you are of classic movies (Which it seems like you've taken a break from viewing but I'm assuming it comes down to being insanely busy ;) ).

As for PK Tech Girl...yeah, I like that episode. But not really any more than any other. I just used it to craft a username because I thought it would be fun....and Farscape/Trek-esque at the same time. That said, it is a great episode.

Indeed, even though I love it because I really liked the character of Gilana. I still need to see it again but it's one of Season 1's best episodes.

As for Casablanca...well, there is a reason why many consider it to be the best film ever made. There is just not alot wrong with that movie. Interestingly enough, it was kinda thrown together - they were writing the script as they went along, and it was a very unorganized set because of that. But somehow, out of that craziness, a fabulous film was made. Bogart, Bergman, Paul Henreid, Claude Rains, Sidney Greenstreet, and Conrad Veidt all put in superior performances...and it's simply a great picture - Bogie's coolness, combined with the Bogie/Bergman chemistry, combined with the adventure and intrigue of the thing just makes it a tremendous film.

It seemed like the entire cast had great chemistry together. I'm surprised that this movie was kind of just thrown together on the fly and still has become an american classic.



Believe it or not, however, Bogie did not win an Oscar for that performance. His only Oscar came from The African Queen, which was made in 1952. And in that one, his character could not BE any different from Rick Blaine.


Really. Well, I've always maintained that the academy of sciences don't know talented work if it came up and bit them in the ass so I'm not surprised.
 
PKTrekGirl, this one's for you. ;) I didn't quote your last post 'cause I didn't want this to get out of hand (size-wise).

Anyway, I took your advice and didn't reply to your post right away. Now I actually have some time to post, so here it goes.


Yeah, the second half of S2 definitely showed how well Max & Liz work together. The group as a whole also works much better together. The thing I really enjoyed how Michael became such a huge part of the group, even though in a way he never wanted to. I mean OK, he cared about Max and Isabel from the beginning, but he never wanted the humans to be involved.

Kyle, Kyle, Kyle... you know, I didn't like him at first. But then, at the start of the show he we the typical asshole quarterback (or whatever). But slowly, he became such a great character. I'm really glad the writers decide to do that. I think one of the first signs of that was in S1 when those friends of his beat up Max and he was upset about it. And slowly, he actually started caring about the group (not just Liz and Maria). And the scenes with him and Alex where they were trapped inside that crystalline structure (in the ep with Michael's "sister") were just brilliant. The two of them singing Miss American Pie... priceless. :guffaw: And yeah, Kyle thinking of ways how Isabel could get back at Max was another great moment (actually more then just one). And don't even get me started on Buddhism. Kyle saying Buddha was down with gambling... oh man, that one totally cracked me up. :guffaw:

You know, I still haven't decided what I think of Valenti starting a band. There were a lot of fun moments, but I'm still not quite sure the whole thing really worked. In a way it makes sense though. I mean, he starts as a sheriff whose dad believed aliens were real. And through the course of the first two seasons he goes through a lot. He finds out his dad was right, his son gets shot, he gets fired... it makes sense the whole thing would take a pretty big toll on him.

Oh yeah, Michael going with Liz and Maria to find out what happened to Alex was also great. I mean, we all know how he felt about Maria, but he also really cared about Liz (in big brother/little sister kinda way). The scene in the park with Michael and Max was just... well, it was a great scene that's for sure. The whole full circle thing and how much these two guys have changed was great. Michael, who wanted nothing to do with humans when the show started was the one who wanted to stay. And Max, who actually liked living on Earth (especially once he got involved with Liz, hehe) being the one who actually wanted to leave.

Yeah, I agree with you on the whole "Max not being perfect which makes him interesting" thing. Despite being an alien, and a leader and all that, he was still just a young guy who often screwed up.

I never actually noticed a similarity between Tess and the Founders until you pointed it out. Good catch. ;) And you know, I actually wanted to like Tess. When she moved in with the Valentis and she became a part of their family, there were times that I actually did like her. As I was watching S2, I was hoping she'd get over Max and could just become a part of the group. But I guess it wasn't meant to be. And the way she betrayed Alex and especially Kyle who was like a brother to her... it sickens me just thinking about it. Anyway, I actually wonder why she left the show at the end of S2 (was it Emilie's decision, or the writers).

It's interesting comparing Michael and Tess. They had quite a few things in common, like they both had a screwed up father figure and neither of them had much of a family. But I guess the difference was that Michael had Max and Isabel to help him get through the rough times and help him be more human. And Tess had Nasedo... who really was totally like a Founder. It's too bad Kyle and Jim Valenti came into her life too late. Because I think it would have been possible for her to turn out differently.

Rob Roy is a non-alcoholic kiddie drink? I had no idea... man, that's just hilarious. :D Yeah, Michael was alright! :) Besides Liz, he's probably my favourite character on the show. So you've seen "Michael, The Guys and The Great Snapple Caper" huh? Man that was another fun episode.

About 3x01... yeah, I didn't buy it either. It almost felt like the show jumped the shark when Max and Liz robbed a convenience store. Luckily it didn't. ;)

So how far along S3 are you?
 
As long as we are talking about classic movies, Sunset Boulevard: classic, great movie.

Well yes - that is a great film as well. From the very first moment, it pulls you in - who is this dead person in the pool? And why is he narrating the story?

Gloria Swanson is simply brilliant in this film...and it's really interesting because she had actually been one of those silent film stars that she was portraying in the movie.

This is certainly a film worth watching. :)
 
tomalak,

1. No one was ignoring anyone. You guys just posted a couple of quick sentences to say hello, as best as I could tell - I read your posts, but there was nothing to discuss, really. I thought you were both just checking in, was all. If you want to discuss a topic, bring up a topic. I promise I'll discuss it with you (assuming I know anything about it). But neither of you guys brought up a topic you wanted to discuss, as best I could determine. I don't think we were trying to ignore you - we were just waiting for you to bring up a topic, was all. Or jump in on the Roswell topic, if you'd seen it...which we had no way of knowing one way or the other. :)

2. I have not given up on watching classic film. I just haven't been in the mood for LJ lately. I wasn't getting much response from those film review posts anyway, so I sorta gave up on posting them. They were taking up alot of time as each film review was several paragraphs long and took about 45 minutes to write, and so, since I wasn't getting much response, I thought I'd spend more time watching films and less time writing about them.

As a matter of fact, I watched 3 films this weekend - all of which I'd seen before, true...but three pretty 'famous' classics - Citizen Kane (which I STILL think is highly overrated), Rear Window (a Hitchcock film which I love), and Rashomom (a great film by the acclaimed Japanese film-maker Akira Kurosawa).

I may do the occasional film review...but those were taking up vast quantities of time...and the payoff wasn't there for the hours I was putting into it.

But rest assured...if you want to discuss a classic film, I'd be happy to discuss it with you! As you know, I've seen tons. Maybe if you guys want, I can put together a list of 'guy movies' that you might like and which might help better acquaint you with classic film. :) If you are interested, that is. I'm just really pleased that you liked Casablanca so much.

3. I agree that PK Tech Girl is a great episode. There are a few in season 1 I like better (it's terrible, but I can't even remember the names of them anymore! It's been a long time since I watched any Farscape)...but that is a good one. In the top half-dozen or so, IMO.
 
I've never seen Casablanca even though I love classic films. I plan to get around to it though. I've also never seen Gone with the Wind. I think those are the only 2 major "classic" films I've never seen. With Gone with the Wind, the length of the movie is a factor.

Citiizen Kane, Rear Window, North by Northwest, The Maltese Falcon, and Double Indemnity are my favorite "classic" films.
 
I've never seen Casablanca even though I love classic films. I plan to get around to it though. I've also never seen Gone with the Wind. I think those are the only 2 major "classic" films I've never seen. With Gone with the Wind, the length of the movie is a factor.

Citiizen Kane, Rear Window, North by Northwest, The Maltese Falcon, and Double Indemnity are my favorite "classic" films.

Yes...I can understand your feelings about Gone With the Wind. I am not generally a fan of overly long movies and am of the opinion that most stories can be told in 2 hours and 20 minutes..and that any more than that can often be attributed to the director 'liking the sound of his own voice', so to speak.

For example, I am not a huge fan of Lawrence of Arabia, breathtaking cinematography and the inclusion of Omar Sharif ( :drool: ) notwithstanding. That movie comes in at about 4 hours...and is WAY too long. I am also not a big fan of the Griffith silents and think many of his films are way too long as well.

However, I will say that I think Gone With the Wind is an exception to this. That movie is just riveting....and you get to the end of it and you are almost sad it is over! :lol: Vivien Leigh was simply fabulous...and I think there is a reason why, for many man-on-the-street type people, Clark Gable as Rhett Butler is THE 'face of classic film'. He really is tremendous.

At some point, it might be worth your while to just reserve a Sunday afternoon and just watch the thing. It is well worth it, IMO....even if you just do it once.

Casablanca is a much shorter film...and can even be watched on a typical weeknight without difficulty. I'd recommend it. Great film! And also perhaps the most quoted film in history.

As for your picks, my thoughts:

Citizen Kane - I'm not a huge fan of this film. It's a good film...but it is not nearly as good as the hype might suggest. I have often seen this film mentioned as the best film ever made...but for the life of me I can't figure out why. As I said, it is good...but not THAT good. And nowhere near the best film ever made.

Rear Window - well, you can't beat James Stewart and Hitchcock. This is a great film...and I think part of what makes it great is that it exploits our own, shall we say, voyeuristic impulses. The only beef I have with it is that as soon as you see Raymond Burr in the credits, you KNOW who the bad guy is gonna be. Poor Raymond Burr - he was ALWAYS the bad guy until he snagged Perry Mason. :lol:

North By Northwest - well, you'd have to be crazy to not like this film. There is simply nothing to dislike. Cary Grant is at his elegant and classy best, Eva Marie Saint is wonderful, the cinematography is fabulous...and Hitchcock rarely conceives a bad story. This one has all the elements - it simply couldn't go wrong.

The Maltese Falcon - one of Bogie's most famous roles. Not my favorite Bogie picture...but certainly in the top 5 or so. If you like this movie, you really should see Casablanca, because alot of the same actors are used. ;)

Double Indemnity - well, Barbara Stanwyck is my favorite actress, so you do the math on this one. Incredible movie. Fred MacMurray, who was mainly a light comedy actor, did an exceptional job...and Edward G. Robinson was brilliant, as usual. IMO, this film and Gilda are the best film noirs ever made.
 
^I think my future wife will see to it that I watch Casablanca and Gone with the Wind eventually. Right now, we're so busy planning our wedding and setting up a new apartment that it's hard to find time. Usually, we just watch DS9 or The Simpsons in bed before we go to sleep because after about an hour or so we both fall asleep if we try to watch anything longer.

I enjoy reading what you've got to say about classic films, PkTrekGirl. I guess with Citizen Kane it's the story behind the story that adds an extra layer of fascination for me. Knowing that the character was modelled after William R. Hearst and the history behind the making of the movie along with the audacity it must have taken for Orson wells to pull it off, makes me appreciate it even more.
 
I just wanted to add a little something to the "classic films" discussion. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of classic films. It's not that I have something against them, I just haven't seen a lot of them. But... I've seen Gone With the Wind a couple of times and I think it's definitely one of the greatest films ever. And I definitely think it would really hurt the movie if someone cut it down to let's say 150 minutes.
 
PK,

Fair Enough. I actually don't watch Roswell or really had any interest to. One of these days I might, but it didn't really appeal to me that much. I'm glad you're enjoying it through.

I know what you mean about LJ. I haven't been in the mood either and ever since this place switched over, I've been spending a lot more time here. Not sure if that's a good thing but we'll see in the long run.

Casablanca was actually brought up in my class today. I'm taking a Business, Society and Government class and we were talking about advertising of alcohol, hard licquor, and tobacco/cigarettes. After class he was surprised that last weekend was the first time I had seen that movie, and one of the first things I thought about was how the movie was a long advertisement for cigarettes. I know to respect the time it was made, but that was the first thing I couldn't help but notice. I'm not surprised both Bogart and Bergman died at a young age because of lung cancer. It is unfortunate, yes, but not surprising.
 
PK,

Fair Enough. I actually don't watch Roswell or really had any interest to. One of these days I might, but it didn't really appeal to me that much. I'm glad you're enjoying it through.

I know what you mean about LJ. I haven't been in the mood either and ever since this place switched over, I've been spending a lot more time here. Not sure if that's a good thing but we'll see in the long run.

Casablanca was actually brought up in my class today. I'm taking a Business, Society and Government class and we were talking about advertising of alcohol, hard licquor, and tobacco/cigarettes. After class he was surprised that last weekend was the first time I had seen that movie, and one of the first things I thought about was how the movie was a long advertisement for cigarettes. I know to respect the time it was made, but that was the first thing I couldn't help but notice. I'm not surprised both Bogart and Bergman died at a young age because of lung cancer. It is unfortunate, yes, but not surprising.

Well, Casablanca is by no means the worst when it comes to cigarette smoking in classic film. Cigarettes are a normal part of those films - you get used to it.

I think the worst when it comes to that are Bette Davis films. Bette Davis smokes almost constantly in her films...and uses her cigarette smoking hand to point and emphasize certain lines.

Nowhere is smoking more evident than in a Bette Davis film. At least IMO. ;) And she lived to be quite old, so go figure.

Still, alot of the really great actors died quite young.

1957 - Humphrey Bogart (cancer at age 57)
1958 - Tyrone Power (heart attack on the set of Solomon and Sheba at age 44, after which he was replaced by Yul Brynner)
1959 - Errol Flynn (drinking-related illnesses at age 50)
1960 - Clark Gable (heart attack at age 59)
1961 - Gary Cooper (cancer at the age of 60)

Pretty grim, huh? :(
 
Roswell Update:

Okay...so I'm up through Behind the Music...so 10 episodes left. I'm actually kinda bummed to be getting to the end, because this show rocks. :)

Anyhoo, I guess they had to do it for drama, but I am bummed about Maria breaking up with Michael. It took her two seasons to finally get the guy where she wanted him...and now after 8 episodes she throws him over for a guy who looks stoned all the time.

Silly girl. :p

Max's dad is creepin' me out at the moment, with his bulletin board of doom. I get that he's trying to find out what is going on...but doing it by involving everyone on the planet is not the smartest move in the book, especially if his stated aim is to protect his son. Alien thing aside....there are about a million reasons why it is NOT a good idea to investigate your own son with a Cecil B. deMille-like cast of extras knowing about it. :rolleyes:

I am also kinda shocked that dad didn't believe Isabelle's story about Tess getting pregnant. I mean, that was actually true...although admittedly Isabelle did leave out some important details....such as Tess's move back to oh....another PLANET. :p

Not much going on with Max and Liz at the moment. Max has been full time on the Isabelle and Jesse issue, so Max and Liz haven't had any time to get themselves into any trouble...faux-robbing any more convenience stores or anything. :lol:

Isabelle and Jesse's honeymoon was a bit surreal, with Kivar making his move. I liked the ending though. That was good, with Isabelle giving him the boot. Interesting that they found a way to get to earth without another granolithe. I wonder what sort of doors *that* is gonna open up?

Overall, season 3 is starting out a bit slow. Not bad, mind you, because IMO the bottom line is that this show totally ROCKS. However, compared to seasons 1 and 2, I'm not quite as mesmerized by the storylines. Isabelle's wedding storyline was a bit lackluster...and Jesse is not really that interesting a character. I like Alex's ghost alot more! :devil: BRING BACK ALEX'S GHOST!!!!!:scream: And of course, as I mentioned earlier, the convenience store robbery was just too much out of character for Liz in particular, but Max as well.

Kyle keeps getting more entertaining by the moment. He has definitely been continuing his creep up my list of favorite characters. I mean...he's such a GOOBER! :lol:

And BigFoot...yeah, a Roy Roy is a kiddie drink, like a Shirley Temple that you'd give to a little boy who doesn't want to drink anything with a girl's name on it. That was a great touch by Michael - poor Max! :lol:

As to favorites...well, Michael is still my favorite character (I got a kick out of him losing control of his powers because of jealousy and blowing up everything in sight in last night's episode)...but Liz is second. And then Max and Maria are about the same. I like Isabelle, but they really could have probably done more with her character throughout the series. She definitely got the least amount of development, out of the three aliens (not counting Tess here). In fact, at this point Kyle might have overtaken her on my favorites list. Jeez, he is a goob! But seriously...they could have done alot more with Velondra. They could easily have done an Angel/Angelus thing with her that would have rocked.

But I guess you can't have everything.
 
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I'd just like to say I love epic films. Be they epic in scope or epic in length. That's a key difference, you can have a very long film with a low budget and a rather leaner picture with a gigantic one, but in a sense both are epics. Some epics I love include The Seven Samurai, Lawrence of Arabia, Chushingura, Dr. Mabuse der Spieler and Red Beard, there are many fun epic pictures. I particularly love the overtures and entr'acte they often have, particularly when a skilled composer is involved. I'm even partial to epics that aren't exactly critical darlings, like Cleopatra, which wants to be a drawing room Mankiewicz film superimposed on endless extravaganza and ultimately is a fun mess (marred mainly, I think, by Richard Burton's terrible performance, though I like Rex Harrison channeling Addison DeWitt into his Julius Caesar). Last year I saw The Egyptian, a relatively forgotten Hollywood spectacle which was also a lot of fun, and Quo Vadis, which is much better known but is, admittedly, totally interminable and ploddingly dull. Peter Ustinov is in both pictures and is, as usual, exceptional; but while he's one of the few highlights in Quo Vadis he rounds off a fairly strong cast in The Egyptian. And on the composer front, it's got a score by Alfred Newmann and Bernard Hermann. My jaw seldom drops during the credits but that was definitely one of those times.

But all this said, I just can't stand Gone With the Wind. It's just boring. Even D.W. Griffith's Birth of a Nation has a far better sense of pacing, incident, and characterisation. It's a tedious, lethargic picture about a spoiled brat of an heiress who hooks up with Clark Gable and then unhooks. There is something of a romantic quadrangle as Scarlett spends a lot of time pining for a stiff boring guy who marries the stiff boring supporting actress. It's not bad, but it's not great either. It's a definite, if rather quotable, 'meh'. It wanders from overbright, overcoloured moment to moment as the viewer patiently waits for it to end, and it just doesn't. Nice score by Max Steiner though, I like how he effectively incorporates Dixieland.
 
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Anyhoo, I guess they had to do it for drama, but I am bummed about Maria breaking up with Michael. It took her two seasons to finally get the guy where she wanted him...
Wait a minute! There are a Maria and a Michael on Roswell?! And they were a couple? My name's Michael. And my first girlfriend's name is Maria! And after two years (= two seasons) she also broke up with me! Isn't that strange? Or is the combination of those names rather common?
Silly girl. :p
Yeah, all those years ago that's what I thought of my Ex, too ... ;)
 
I'd just like to say I love epic films. Be they epic in scope or epic in length. That's a key difference, you can have a very long film with a low budget and a rather leaner picture with a gigantic one, but in a sense both are epics. Some epics I love include The Seven Samurai, Lawrence of Arabia, Chushingura, Dr. Mabuse der Spieler and Red Beard, there are many fun epic pictures. I particularly love the overtures and entr'acte they often have, particularly when a skilled composer is involved. I'm even partial to epics that aren't exactly critical darlings, like Cleopatra, which wants to be a drawing room Mankiewicz film superimposed on endless extravaganza and ultimately is a fun mess (marred mainly, I think, by Richard Burton's terrible performance, though I like Rex Harrison channeling Addison DeWitt into his Julius Caesar). Last year I saw The Egyptian, a relatively forgotten Hollywood spectacle which was also a lot of fun, and Quo Vadis, which is much better known but is, admittedly, totally interminable and ploddingly dull. Peter Ustinov is in both pictures and is, as usual, exceptional; but while he's one of the few highlights in Quo Vadis he rounds off a fairly strong cast in The Egyptian. And on the composer front, it's got a score by Alfred Newmann and Bernard Hermann. My jaw seldom drops during the credits but that was definitely one of those times.

But all this said, I just can't stand Gone With the Wind. It's just boring. Even D.W. Griffith's Birth of a Nation has a far better sense of pacing, incident, and characterisation. It's a tedious, lethargic picture about a spoiled brat of an heiress who hooks up with Clark Gable and then unhooks. There is something of a romantic quadrangle as Scarlett spends a lot of time pining for a stiff boring guy who marries the stiff boring supporting actress. It's not bad, but it's not great either. It's a definite, if rather quotable, 'meh'. It wanders from overbright, overcoloured moment to moment as the viewer patiently waits for it to end, and it just doesn't. Nice score by Max Steiner though, I like how he effectively incorporates Dixieland.

I have to say that it really boggles the mind that anyone could say that about GWTW...but yet list Lawrence of Arabia as a favorite. :lol: In that film you have basically 4 hours of riding around on camels and getting lost in the desert, interspersed with the odd skirmish. And at the end...after 4 HOURS, the guy accomplishes...wait for it.........


......absolutely NOTHING. :rolleyes: The Arabs are still not united...and the British are still there.

FOUR HOURS??? For THAT ending? ACK! I couldn't believe it! :scream:

IMO, the worst piece of film editing in history. They could have easily cut a full hour or more out of that film and I wouldn't even miss it. In fact, I bet they could cut about 90 minutes without affecting the story in the slightest.

For me, there are only two good things about that film: the cinematography...and the inclusion of the exquisitely HOT Omar Sharif. :p Everything else is an exercise in tedium.

At least Rhett and Scarlett had some bloomin' SPUNK. :p
 
I have to say that it really boggles the mind that anyone could say that about GWTW...but yet list Lawrence of Arabia as a favorite. :lol:

Lawrence of Arabia is a stylish, compelling, visually evocative film with an interesting protagonist. It's one of the easiest epic films to just sit back and watch. Gone With The Wind feels forced and stagey in its depiction of the antebellum South where Lawrence feels effortless and visceral in the desert. Not to mention the simply incredible score by Maurice Jarre. Second best desert film ever made.*

I think GWTW could have worked given its premise of an epic domestic drama. It just didn't. Its spectacle is limp and unimpressive even when pitted against contemporary films (be they Alexander Nevsky or The Wizard of Oz), and its characters are a mix of the dull and the uninteresting. Rhett Butler deserved to be in a better movie, and he got his chance in Casablanca.

For me, there are only two good things about that film: the cinematography...and the inclusion of the exquisitely HOT Omar Sharif. :p Everything else is an exercise in tedium.

At least Rhett and Scarlett had some bloomin' SPUNK. :p

Give me Peter O'Toole's studied, slightly effeminate intellectual trying to live out his dreams of robust heroism and his obsession and identification with a foreign culture - and failing both as a hero and as a wannabe Arab - over yet another shopworn Vivien Leigh speech about struggling aul Tara.:p I love that character arc, it's very involving and not always sympathetic. And that is ultimately what the ending and the film is about: Lawrence captures a moment in history through sheer charisma, and then it slips through his fingers like sand. So I felt it was a pretty satisfactory ending. To be fair to GWTW, that film's ending also works; I'm glad it doesn't take a forcedly happy route and leaves us with a slightly delusional Scarlett.

*The Woman on the Dunes is the best.
 
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PKTrekGirl

Yeah, the closer to the end of Roswell you get, the more bummed you'll be. At least that's how it was with me.

And yeah, Maria breaking up with Michael was silly. But hey, who knows what was going through her head. ;)

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the whole Max's dad investigating him plot line. This was supposed to be his son and he treats him like he's some kinda criminal. But then, Max did rob a convenience store. ;) So while it makes sense that his dad wouldn't completely trust him, the whole hiring a PI and the bulletin board and all that was just to much. And yeah, I was 100% sure they were gonna believe Isabel's story. First of all, she's always been trustworthy and well, it was a REALLY good story.

I also wasn't a huge fan of the Isabel and Jesse storyline. First of all, while I like Adam Rodriguez on CSI: Miami, he felt fairly stiff and maybe even a little uncomfortable in a lot of his scenes on Roswell. And also the whole wedding thing felt very rushed. I also Katie Heigl and Adam Rodriguez had much chemistry together. It was just one of those things that may have worked on paper, but once translated to film just didn't work. The ending with Kivar was entertaining though. :D Oh, and Alex's ghost kicked all sorts of ass.

That's exactly how I felt about S3 compared to S1 and S2. S1 kicked all sorts of ass and I couldn't wait to see the next episode. It was quite similar with S2. OTOH, S3 while entertaining and all, just didn't quite work as well. Instead of looking forward to every next episode, I was more looking forward to the conclusion of the series itself 'cause I really wanted to know what will happen to these characters. I won't get into spoiler territory here, but it also felt like the plot line was meandering through most of the season, and then the ending was rushed.

Man I had no clue about Rob Roy being a kiddie drink. Like I said in my previous post, that is just hilarious. :guffaw:

Yeah, Isabel was definitely the least developed out of the main five (Max, Liz, Michael, Maria, Isabel) characters. Hell, I think even Jim, Kyle and Alex were more developed. In some of the interviews with Katie Heigl she mentions how the writers wanted to develop her character more in S3. Well, sticking a person into a relationship and them having them get married isn't actual character development. ;) At least IMO.

And yeah, I wish they had done more Velondra. It was definitely a missed opportunity. Her actually wreaking some havoc on the rest of the group would have been fun.

Oh, and I don't know if it was just me but I really missed the old credits from S1/S2. The new ones were just way too... UPN. ;)
 
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