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^ Just a quick question as I'm not ready to do another full update.

Have you re-watched any of Roswell?

If so, how would you rate it's re-watchability?
 
However, DS9 won me over. I'm just taken aback by the end of this great series. On to the books, eh?

As a vivid Star Trek books reader I would say yes. The DS9 post finale books are among the best and the first four plus one short story have been rereleased in one trade paperback named Twist of Faith last year and the collection of the next two (very long) novels These Haunted Seas comes out in June.
 
^ You know....this is hilarious.

Here we have the only thread in this entire forum that is not about DS9 (well, besides the B5 thread, which is intentionally done for a specific reason)....and you guys are posting about DS9 in it. :lol:

I feel terrible for Chris Moderato, because he'd have probably gotten a better response if he'd just started a thread about his topic. Which would have been completely legitimate. :lol:
 
:alienblush: Upps, didn't know this thread was supposed to be DS9 free, I just read a bit through the last few pages of it, and since I never watched Roswell, that post was one of the few I actually had something to say about. :D

Spoiler for Heroes Season 1 finale coming. (just to be safe )



To get off topic (for the forum) or on topic (for the thread): Well, yesterday the final two episodes of Heroes' Season One aired here in Germany. Damn was that resolution lame. They build everything up for over 20 episodes and then the Petrellis just fly away and explode? Pretty anticlimatic if you ask me.
 
^ Just a quick question as I'm not ready to do another full update.

Have you re-watched any of Roswell?

If so, how would you rate it's re-watchability?
Well, I watched about two thirds of S1 like 6 years ago. So when I watched S1 this January I did remember a ton of stuff. Based just on that, I'd say the re-watchability is pretty good. But I haven't watched any of it since I finished the series. But then, Roswell is just one of those series where if I decide to watch it, I watch all of it (sorta like Farscape and B5).

Another thought; I personally find that the shows which are more about the characters then the stories have a much higher re-watchability. So yeah, I think Roswell should fare pretty well in that regard. :)

:alienblush: Upps, didn't know this thread was supposed to be DS9 free, I just read a bit through the last few pages of it, and since I never watched Roswell, that post was one of the few I actually had something to say about. :D

Spoiler for Heroes Season 1 finale coming. (just to be safe )



To get off topic (for the forum) or on topic (for the thread): Well, yesterday the final two episodes of Heroes' Season One aired here in Germany. Damn was that resolution lame. They build everything up for over 20 episodes and then the Petrellis just fly away and explode? Pretty anticlimatic if you ask me.
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the S1 finale of Heroes. It wasn't really bad, it was just a bit of a letdown. I think it actually works better if you watch the whole season on DVD in the span of a week or so.
 
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the S1 finale of Heroes. It wasn't really bad, it was just a bit of a letdown. I think it actually works better if you watch the whole season on DVD in the span of a week or so.

You might be right. But the way I saw it (one ep a week) an old saying was true:
Der Weg ist das Ziel. (roughly translated: The way is the goal).

The final episode just couldn't really hold up qualitywise to much of the "build up" episodes.
 
^ Hey, I actually understand that bit of German there. I guess having German for four years in high school actually came handy once. ;)

I agree though, it definitely wasn't as good as I hoped it would be.
 
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the S1 finale of Heroes. It wasn't really bad, it was just a bit of a letdown. I think it actually works better if you watch the whole season on DVD in the span of a week or so.

You might be right. But the way I saw it (one ep a week) an old saying was true:
Der Weg ist das Ziel. (roughly translated: The way is the goal).

The final episode just couldn't really hold up qualitywise to much of the "build up" episodes.

I think that's the biggest problem I have with that show and many other arc based shows. You have so much build-up but then a resolution either never comes or is not very good. You can have a great Beginning and Middle, but if you have a crappy ending, than it kinda ruins everything.
 
^ Personally I don't totally agree with that. IMO, as long as the journey itself is great and as long the ending is decent, the whole arc can still work very well.
 
I'm with BigFoot. While I would say the finale did hurt the series I wouldn't say it was ruined. For that some of the stuff in the series was just to good.
 
^ Agreed. Honestly, I don't think anything could ruin "Company Man" for me. ;)

You're right. Company Man was Heroes best episode that year. My point is though that if the finale isn't good, and people invested thier time and effort to the season of great build-up, than it loses something in the story itself. Now, individual episodes are great if they have great quality, but the overall story is deminished some. The best example is Voyager. 7 years of trying to get home and so much good buildup (And it was a pretty good series for the most part) that the finale cheapened everything. Whenever I watch Voyager now, I can't help to think what could have been. Hell, DS9 even suffered through some of that. 7 seasons of buildup, getting Sisko to the station, starting the talks to bring Bajor into the federation, seeing Ben and Jake grow a much stronger relationship and then when we have the finale, a lot of what came before seemed to be forgotten.

Anyway, hope everyone is having a good weekend. I saw Farscape's "PK Tech Girl" last night and as always really enjoyed it. I really wish Gilina wasn't killed off at the end of the season. I guess it was inevitable, but she was such a cool and attractive character.
 
Anyway, hope everyone is having a good weekend. I saw Farscape's "PK Tech Girl" last night and as always really enjoyed it. I really wish Gilina wasn't killed off at the end of the season. I guess it was inevitable, but she was such a cool and attractive character.
She was okay. To be honest, I thought the Rygel subplot in that episode was far considerably interesting, and when I first saw the episode I felt that should have been dealt with more... and thankfully it was, later on. ;) I thought she was pretty effectively used in the romantic triangle and tense infiltration business at the end of the season; and I couldn't see any further use of the character beyond that point.
 
Hey all,

Hope everyone is doing well. I'm about a week and a half away from Spring Break so this is kind of a stressful time. Finals are next week and I'm worried out of my mind about one class. It just had to be Accounting didn't it. I hope I do well.

I just watched Farscape's "They've Got a Secret" tonight. This is the one where Dargo does tell why he really was incarcerated and we find out that Moya is pregnant. I forgot how awesome this episode was. So much character work built in in 50 minutes and we really start seeing the relationship between the crew and Moya herself. It's episodes like this and the bonding moments between all the characters that really made this show special. It also made Moya like the best ship ever but that's only an opinion. ;)
 
^ What accounting class are you taking, just out of curiosity?

Anyway, I hope you do well. ;) I know how it is, even though I did it a long, long, LONG time ago. ;)
 
^ What accounting class are you taking, just out of curiosity?

Anyway, I hope you do well. ;) I know how it is, even though I did it a long, long, LONG time ago. ;)

It's intermediate financial accounting I. Basically what this final is covering is Percentage of Completion/Completed Contracts, Cash and Receivables, and Inventories. We've finally gotten to the point of the class (Part 1 of 3) where we're just going down the Balance sheet.
 
^ What accounting class are you taking, just out of curiosity?

Anyway, I hope you do well. ;) I know how it is, even though I did it a long, long, LONG time ago. ;)

It's intermediate financial accounting I. Basically what this final is covering is Percentage of Completion/Completed Contracts, Cash and Receivables, and Inventories. We've finally gotten to the point of the class (Part 1 of 3) where we're just going down the Balance sheet.

Ah yes. Intermediate. The course that separates the future accountants from the people who end up with finance or management degrees. Or (heaven forbid) marketing degrees. :lol:

Welcome to the place where they weed out the people who aren't gonna make it. ;) You really, really, REALLY need to stay on top of Intermediate as these are the most important courses in any accounting curriculum.

What are you having trouble with? Do you need help?

I thought your dad was a practicing CPA. :confused: Can he help you?

In any event, percentage of completion/completed contract R Us (audited alot of construction companies in my time)...so if you have any questions that you need answered, let me know. Although it might be better if we talked on the phone or whatever instead of boring the universe with it! :lol:

Cash and Receivables are easy, so you shouldn't be having any trouble with those. And inventory methodologies are pretty easy to master.

If I had my guess, I'd guess you were worrying about percentage of completion accounting. And if you need me to, I can help you with that.

Just let me know. :)
 
Yeah, the Percentage of Completion and Completion are the hardest. The final is broken up into Multiple Choice and Problem, and those two are pretty much the problem. I think I'm slowly getting it though and I'm probably going to talk to my father about it this weekend. Thanks for the offer though, and if I have any other questions, I know where to go. :thumbsup:
 
Okay, great.

But just think about it from it's theoretical perspective. It's all about revenue recognition. Specifically, the timing of it.

Is revenue earned only when a long-term project is completed? Or is it earned over the course of the contract?

For GAAP purposes, the answer is: revenue is earned over the course of the contract. And the best way to gauge how much revenue is earned is...what percentage of total estimated cost has actually been incurred. The matching principle at work, right? ;)

If you have a construction contract and you estimate that the cost of the job will be $1,000,000...if you have $500,000 into the job, then you are 50% complete, right?

And if you bid the job out at $1,400,000 to the customer....then you are able to recognize 50% of that contract price. Or $700,000.

But what about what you have billed the customer in progress billings? Remember BILLINGS DO NOT EQUAL REVENUE. Say that over and over to yourself, if you need to, as it is a common mistake I'd see with baby staff people in public accounting. ;)

In our example, we are able to recognize $700,000 in revenue. But what if we have billed the customer $800,000 so far? Well, we 'owe' them goods and services related to $100,000 worth of our to-date billings, right? So you have an overbilling (liability on the Balance Sheet) of $100,000. And typically, that $100,000 must be moved out of revenue (where it was credited when it was billed) to a liability account.

DR - Revenue $100,0000.
CR - Overbillings on Long-term Construction Contracts $100,000.

But what if you have only billed them $600,000? Well, in that case, you have earned $100,000 more in revenue than you have billed for...so you have an underbilling - an asset on the balance sheet. Think of this as sort of an unbilled receivable.

DR - Underbillings on Long-term Construction Contracts $100,000
CR - Revenue $100,000.

If you grind that theoretical basis into your brain, running the numbers makes alot more sense. :)

There are a few little nuances in there that you'll learn about once you get into actual practice in the real world (like what happens when you run over budget, for example, on costs...which fouls up your percentage complete late in the game by giving you crazy percentages of 110% complete or something, if you are not paying attention and forget to change your estimates)...but for your purposes now...that's it in a nutshell.

I find that the best way to approach accounting is not to memorize a bunch of rules...but instead, to understand the theory behind it. Then it just becomes about the application of that theory to various situations. Which is why the FASB exists! The Financial Accounting Standards Board is all about application of theory. :D

By the way, completed contract is rarely used except for tax purposes. Up to a certain point, construction companies are allowed to use it for tax purposes...which of course, defers the payment of the taxes until the end of a job...which makes them very happy. But once certain revenue thresholds are met, a construction company must convert to percentage of completion, even for tax purposes. Bummer for 'em. :p

And it's never GAAP in audited financial statements. ;)
 
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