So basically it was a good concept that was badly executed, let down by bad writing, bland miscast characters and dreadful world building.
Only really in the area of information technology. Power, propulsion, life support, weapons, etc, are all fantastically beyond us.Part of the difficulty is TOS make things seem like this were so primative that alot of things weren't possible. But in 2019 we are more advanced then TOS would make things be.
We get a fully formed and realised Starfleet with a clear purpose and the same ethos and ideals as we see in the 23rd and 24th centuries, despite basically just being created and only having a few ships at their disposal. There's no learning curve. Enterprise is a super ship that forms the Federation all by itself within the space of a few years. The political situation of the Alpha Quadrant at this time isn't really established, despite the fact the tyrannical Klingon and Romulan empires would have been the major powers during this era. We never get a sense what their influence is.
A primitive Starfleet with limited capabilities reacts to the Klingons just like they did in the 24th century. You might imagine discovering the existence of a huge interstellar empire controlled by an aggressive alien species who could easily invade Earth would lead to a massive ship building effort to defend Earth and its interests. Better writing could have shown the Klingon Empire to be a dangerous bullying galactic super power that motivates Starfleet to create alliances (that eventually becomes the Federation) in order to counter this threat. Instead it was over a Romulan drone.
So basically it was a good concept that was badly executed, let down by bad writing, bland miscast characters and dreadful world building.
Look at the ship construction of Enterprise NX-01 and compare it to Enterprise 1701. One was made in the 1960's and one in the early 2000's, so they look different on TV. Easy to argue the 1701 was much more advanced.
I finally caught up with series 3 and 4 several years later and was really wowed and filled with regret that I hadn't stayed with the show and supported it. It DID actually get better and form its own identity.
I'm another person that gave up on ENT pretty early only to give it another try on netflix years later. I still think Season 1 is terrible, season 2 is only slightly less terrible because of a couple of good episodes. Season 3 and 4 are very good. The show runners needed to step away from Enterprise from moment one and hand it over to someone else, but that wouldn't have guaranteed its success. With the demands from the network on the show, I'm not sure anyone could have given them what the network wanted, what fans wanted and what the audience (that aren't the fans) wanted.But you had supported it by choosing not to watch a passable spin-off, thereby signaling that as far as you were concerned, the Berman/Braga era of Star Trek needed to wind down. The most supportive thing a fan can do is remain alert to quality television and ask for the best possible Star Trek. I, too, had stopped watching after the pilot and only saw the show more recently on Blu-ray and Netflix, since by that time it had become easily accessible worldwide. While Season 3 definitely showed promise, it became clear in Season 4 that ENT had devolved into TOS-based fan service with a TNG kitchen sink to boot.
That's odd, because I have precisely the opposite opinion. In particular, was ready for the Xindi War arc to be done with before 3 was halfway over.I still think Season 1 is terrible, season 2 is only slightly less terrible because of a couple of good episodes. Season 3 and 4 are very good.
Starfleet being around at that time was established in TOS, TNG, and DS9(and probably VOY, but I don't remember a specific reference off hand.I don't get why they even had Starfleet back then. I think one way for ENT to stand out more would've been to not have Starfleet. I liked the idea that was in the scrapped Star Trek: The Beginning of there being a United Earth Stellar Navy. I think it would've been nice to see that transition from the Stellar Navy to Starfleet.
Also I wouldn't have included the Klingons. I think the Andorians would've worked for the warrior race that becomes allies by the end of the series. And the Orion Syndicate could've filled the role of the Suliban. (I didn't have a problem with the Suliban, or Xindi for that matter, but it would've been nice to some of the TOS species get more screen time and development). I think those things would've helped ENT stand out, while still laying the groundwork for TOS.
Gene never came around, he never tried. Despite talking a good game before the fans, having a clearly drawn gay main character had to wait a quarter century passed his death.One of Gene Roddenberry's greatest regrets is that it took him a while to come around on LGBT+ issues
Which I perferred over dragging out the same fully explored species over and over.My problem was that they found all these close by species right on our doorstep that we never ever saw before and so far have never seen again.
This would have been a interesting move, Starfleet being something decades in the future. But that wouldn't have been the safe way to go.I don't get why they even had Starfleet back then. I think one way for ENT to stand out more would've been to not have Starfleet.
No. From TOS, Starfleet might have been only a few decades old. There were mentions of ships from years before the series, but not specifically said to have been Starfleet. Voyager did show a uncrewed probe from shortly after Cochrane's first warp flight with a delta insignia and UESPA.Starfleet being around at that time was established in TOS, TNG, and DS9 (and probably VOY, but I don't remember a specific reference off hand.
Starfleet being around at that time was established in TOS, TNG, and DS9(and probably VOY, but I don't remember a specific reference off hand.
No. From TOS, Starfleet might have been only a few decades old. There were mentions of ships from years before the series, but not specifically said to have been Starfleet. Voyager did show a uncrewed probe from shortly after Cochrane's first warp flight with a delta insignia and UESPA.
Enterprise has more than just TOS to take into account. For instance, Bashir says(in Inquisition) regarding the founding of Starfleet "...but that was 200 years ago!"It was conjectured and fan theory that Starfleet was founded with the Federation in 2161. This is what the Star Trek Chronology proposed in the mid-90s, and is partially based on the canonical founding date of Starfleet Academy. Enterprise invented the idea of a Starfleet that predated the Federation.
TOS was pretty clear that the Klingon interactions with Starfleet date to about 50 years at most prior to the series. So, they were sort of a retconned presence, as they shouldn't have been a known quantity for 60+ years. Discovery does alleviate this, somewhat, by making the Klingons go all isolationist for awhile.
Anyways, I'm working on an ENT retelling without the temporal cold war.
I bow down to your knowledge. I haven't watched "Balance of Terror" for quite awhile and didn't remember that.It matters not at the moment the absolute dates when various Star Trek shows happened. What matters in this discussion is the relative dates of events.
According to "Balance of Terror":
Spock clearly says that the war with the Romulans was "a century" earlier, though how precise that century was is uncertain. Spock also says that the war was fought "By our standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels" clearly stating that there had been much technological progress taking many decades since the Romulan War was fought.
Kirk also says that the Romulan War was "a whole century" earlier. Lt. Stiles doesn't say that he served in the Romulan War or knew people who served in that war personally, he says that Several members of his family served in the Romulan War and were killed and that has been remembered as family history in his family.
So the absolute dates of the Romulan War and of "Balance of Terror" are not established in TOS, but the relative dates are indicated. Maybe the Romulan War happens in 1899 and "Balance of Terror" happens in 1999, or maybe the Romulan War happens in 2899 and "Balance of Terror" happens in 2995, or maybe the Romulan War happens in 3590 and "Balance of Terror" happens in 3699. But it is clear that "Balance of Terror" happens approximately one century after the Romulan War.
I note that Earth and the Romulans had the use of sub-space radio by the end of the Romulan War since the treaty was negotiated via sub-space radio. And that was about a century before TOS.
In "A Piece of the Action":
So the Horizon apparently visited Sigma Iota about a century earlier, but before Earth had subspace radio. So the voyage of the Horizon was apparently at approximately the same time as the Romulan War, but sometime before Earth acquired subspace radio and thus sometime before the end of the Romulan War.
Since Enterprise happens a few years before the Romulan War, one might suppose that the voyage of the Horizon happened in the few years between Enterprise and the end of the Romulan War.
In "Strange New World" the third episode of the first season of Enterprise:
So subspace radio is already in use in the first season of Enterprise and if the first life pod in the story had subspace radio, for at least 63 years before then. And subspace radio is used in many other episodes of Enterprise.
So Enterprise should be sometime after the Horizon left on its voyage that reached Sigma Iota, a voyage where the Horizon reached a position a hundred light years beyond the position of whoever received its radio signal about Sigma Iota.
In "Two Days and Two Nights", on the planet Risa:
But Archer is very wrong. Sometime before subspace radio was introduced and thus before Enterprise, an Earth ship, the Horizon, reached a point so distant from Earth that even a century of expansion later, the nearest Earth outpost or ship was 100 light years closer to Earth than the point reached by the Earth ship Horizon.
Now that is a major contradiction between Enterprise and TOS!
It matters not at the moment the absolute dates when various Star Trek shows happened. What matters in this discussion is the relative dates of events.
According to "Balance of Terror":
Spock clearly says that the war with the Romulans was "a century" earlier, though how precise that century was is uncertain. Spock also says that the war was fought "By our standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels" clearly stating that there had been much technological progress taking many decades since the Romulan War was fought.
Kirk also says that the Romulan War was "a whole century" earlier. Lt. Stiles doesn't say that he served in the Romulan War or knew people who served in that war personally, he says that Several members of his family served in the Romulan War and were killed and that has been remembered as family history in his family.
So the absolute dates of the Romulan War and of "Balance of Terror" are not established in TOS, but the relative dates are indicated. Maybe the Romulan War happens in 1899 and "Balance of Terror" happens in 1999, or maybe the Romulan War happens in 2899 and "Balance of Terror" happens in 2995, or maybe the Romulan War happens in 3590 and "Balance of Terror" happens in 3699. But it is clear that "Balance of Terror" happens approximately one century after the Romulan War.
I note that Earth and the Romulans had the use of sub-space radio by the end of the Romulan War since the treaty was negotiated via sub-space radio. And that was about a century before TOS.
In "A Piece of the Action":
So the Horizon apparently visited Sigma Iota about a century earlier, but before Earth had subspace radio. So the voyage of the Horizon was apparently at approximately the same time as the Romulan War, but sometime before Earth acquired subspace radio and thus sometime before the end of the Romulan War.
Since Enterprise happens a few years before the Romulan War, one might suppose that the voyage of the Horizon happened in the few years between Enterprise and the end of the Romulan War.
In "Strange New World" the third episode of the first season of Enterprise:
So subspace radio is already in use in the first season of Enterprise and if the first life pod in the story had subspace radio, for at least 63 years before then. And subspace radio is used in many other episodes of Enterprise.
So Enterprise should be sometime after the Horizon left on its voyage that reached Sigma Iota, a voyage where the Horizon reached a position a hundred light years beyond the position of whoever received its radio signal about Sigma Iota.
In "Two Days and Two Nights", on the planet Risa:
But Archer is very wrong. Sometime before subspace radio was introduced and thus before Enterprise, an Earth ship, the Horizon, reached a point so distant from Earth that even a century of expansion later, the nearest Earth outpost or ship was 100 light years closer to Earth than the point reached by the Earth ship Horizon.
Now that is a major contradiction between Enterprise and TOS!
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