The chrysalis requires a Triluminary to operate, so I doubt that anyone else could use it.
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Or just replicate the technology
Not nessecerily no. Since Minbari can reproduce with humans
Catherine would not have gone through the chrysalis machine for two reasons: 1) Sinclair was still half human, just as Deleen was when she conceived with Sheridan. Presumably it'd work the same way for them. 2) There was a massive scandal over Valen's family that forced them to leave Minbar. Given the Minbari stance on racial purity, an affair with an unknown alien that produced freakish half-breeds would probably qualify as a scandal worthly of fleeing the planet.
As for replicating the triluminary machine: it's not Minbari technology, it came from the Great Machine of Epsilon 3, 1000 years in the future. The Minbari didn't even understand it's purpose and just kept it as a holy relic. It's questionable how much even Delenn really knew when she switched it on.
As for replicating the triluminary machine: it's not Minbari technology, it came from the Great Machine of Epsilon 3, 1000 years in the future. The Minbari didn't even understand it's purpose and just kept it as a holy relic. It's questionable how much even Delenn really knew when she switched it on.
Who really built the Great Machine? Was it the Vorlons, the Thirdspace aliens, or the dying Guardian Varn's race? IIRC, in the episode A Voice in the Wilderness pt 2, a bunch of aliens of the same race as Varn turn up and claim ownership. As they get their arses well and truly kicked I doubt they were legit. I don't think it was ever revealed.
Not in the series but it may have been in one of the books... It's one of the niggly loose ends that they never wrapped up. I always wanted to find out who made the great machine. I wish we had learnt more about it and seen more of it and Draal.
Also I get that the Drakh felt a little put out that the Shadows had left, but that annoyed me in that yeah they are leaving the younger races because Sheridan goes ape at them and then Lorien now decides to go space daddy and take the kids back home.... But they never tell all those underlings "hey we are leaving behave yourselves and don't dummy spit."
Lo and behold that's just what the Drakh do....
As far as I know, the origin of the Great Machine was never revealed at all. JMS mentioned in the script books that he would have liked to do more with Draal but after the second actor became unavailable, he let that thread lapse.
As for the Drakh...I think it's proof that all of the younger races were simply a means to an end to both the Shadows and Vorlons. They'd long ago lost any 'shepherding' inclinations, from what I could tell.
As for the Drakh...I think it's proof that all of the younger races were simply a means to an end to both the Shadows and Vorlons. They'd long ago lost any 'shepherding' inclinations, from what I could tell.
If we're to take what was said at face value then the Great Machine was built around 500 years ago, in which time the Shadows were dormant, so probably nothing directly to do with them.
As for those guys that showed up to claim it, Varn himself said they were a violent faction that were cast out by his people centuries ago. So it still tracks that Varn's race were just one of the younger races that reached a very high level of technology before dying out. As we saw in 'Crusade' there's no shortage of dead worlds and extinct technological civilisations in the galaxy.
My personal theory is that they were one of the races to come out "on top" of one of the earlier Shadow Wars, like the Minbari did with Valen. Only at some point they saw the two First Ones for what they were and created the machine to serve as a living legacy they would survive the endless cycles of destruction.
As for those guys that showed up to claim it, Varn himself said they were a violent faction that were cast out by his people centuries ago. So it still tracks that Varn's race were just one of the younger races that reached a very high level of technology before dying out. As we saw in 'Crusade' there's no shortage of dead worlds and extinct technological civilisations in the galaxy.
My personal theory is that they were one of the races to come out "on top" of one of the earlier Shadow Wars, like the Minbari did with Valen. Only at some point they saw the two First Ones for what they were and created the machine to serve as a living legacy they would survive the endless cycles of destruction.
I do like that in Deconstruction Of Falling Stars we see a clip of humans evolving to be just like the Vorlons.
And just finished "A View From The Gallery" and wow 2nd time around I now love this episode to bits. It's good.
I love the off-format episodes and 'Deconstruction' is one of my favorites. I liked the 'View' characters a lot, too. Trivia bit: The book 'Dining on Babylon 5' that G'Kar was reading in the shelter was in the process of becoming a real publication in the UK.
101 recipes for Spoo?
Nope, only two: Narn and Centauri. But also Bagna Cauda, Jovian Sunspots, Brivari, Flarn, snicks and (as the saying goes) much, much more!
Deconstruction I enjoy for its vignettes and for offering a few tantalising hints at the series' future, even with its clear budget limitations and talking head format.
Gallery on the other hand did little for me. It's a second rate Lower Decks, but with a sense of self congratulatory backslapping about it that irked me. Bo and Mack pointing out all the great things about the show, with its highly reverent duo waxing lyrical about the great romance of Sheridan/Delenn, how the untested (and unknown) Lochley is gonna be great after all, or how even with a massive battle raging outside, Bo & Mack can quietly eat lunch watching the "colours" as their confidence in the crew and the station is unwavering. Couple that with the who-are-you-oh-ok-bye invasion force and too much self-referential material (comments about Ivanova and Sheridan's death-non-death) and I find I just want to skip it on rewatch as hurried Fan-ficton. Strangely, only Byron's section shows any innovation or depth and that was put in because the episode came up short and they needed an extra scene.
This was a real missed opportunity. That station has gone through a lot up to that point, and if I were the janitorial/handyman/whatever staff of B5 I'd be a whole lot more cynical of the egos and deities running the place. There could have been a really interesting dissection of the Senior Staff, which any low end subordinate would likely be doing day in and day out. Us little-uns are always mouthing off, criticising, boggling over decisions made by the brass. But instead JMS and Ellison gave us "look how great we are" instead. From a script written in a day. Hey, at least he didn't write it in a fever-dream state I suppose
Shame. But it was nice to see Delenn calling Mack & Bo "Worker Class". Classy lady with her nice compliments.
Hugo - Um, kind of, um .. spooish, I guess
Gallery on the other hand did little for me. It's a second rate Lower Decks, but with a sense of self congratulatory backslapping about it that irked me. Bo and Mack pointing out all the great things about the show, with its highly reverent duo waxing lyrical about the great romance of Sheridan/Delenn, how the untested (and unknown) Lochley is gonna be great after all, or how even with a massive battle raging outside, Bo & Mack can quietly eat lunch watching the "colours" as their confidence in the crew and the station is unwavering. Couple that with the who-are-you-oh-ok-bye invasion force and too much self-referential material (comments about Ivanova and Sheridan's death-non-death) and I find I just want to skip it on rewatch as hurried Fan-ficton. Strangely, only Byron's section shows any innovation or depth and that was put in because the episode came up short and they needed an extra scene.
This was a real missed opportunity. That station has gone through a lot up to that point, and if I were the janitorial/handyman/whatever staff of B5 I'd be a whole lot more cynical of the egos and deities running the place. There could have been a really interesting dissection of the Senior Staff, which any low end subordinate would likely be doing day in and day out. Us little-uns are always mouthing off, criticising, boggling over decisions made by the brass. But instead JMS and Ellison gave us "look how great we are" instead. From a script written in a day. Hey, at least he didn't write it in a fever-dream state I suppose
Shame. But it was nice to see Delenn calling Mack & Bo "Worker Class". Classy lady with her nice compliments.
Hugo - Um, kind of, um .. spooish, I guess
I did think the one-off aliens were somewhat of an unfortunate plot device, and (if we're going to compare) "Lower Decks" certainly wins for ultimately being a more substantial episode.
I do enjoy "View" though, and I don't think it's so bad that we're allowed to see that some workers really believe in the cause, especially since we had the opposite view back in "By Any Means Necessary".
Could it be argued that "View" is the closest B5 comes to having characters espouse a somewhat Trekkian philosophy? (ducks)
I do enjoy "View" though, and I don't think it's so bad that we're allowed to see that some workers really believe in the cause, especially since we had the opposite view back in "By Any Means Necessary".
Could it be argued that "View" is the closest B5 comes to having characters espouse a somewhat Trekkian philosophy? (ducks)
I thought Varn's people made the Great Machine. No?
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