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Aventine

Um, isn't a parsec a unit of distance, not time?

Yes it is. Quite a famous error, that quote from "A New Hope". I don't follow the Star Wars universe, so I don't know if there was ever any retcon explanation.

Yes it is. Quite a famous error, that quote from "A New Hope". I don't follow the Star Wars universe, so I don't know if there was ever any retcon explanation.
That line was also spoken my Luke/Chris in the family guy SW episode "Blue Harvest".
That's exactly what I was quoting. I was trying to be funny.... Apparently I fail at it though. :rommie:

Ah, I see. I have never seen "Blue Harvest" so did not catch the reference and believed you were inquiring seriously. Oh well, at least we got an interesting conversation out of it, and are all suitably impressed by Han Solo's piloting skill and/or boasting abilities.
 
Yes it is. Quite a famous error, that quote from "A New Hope". I don't follow the Star Wars universe, so I don't know if there was ever any retcon explanation.

That line was also spoken my Luke/Chris in the family guy SW episode "Blue Harvest".
That's exactly what I was quoting. I was trying to be funny.... Apparently I fail at it though. :rommie:

Ah, I see. I have never seen "Blue Harvest" so did not catch the reference and believed you were inquiring seriously. Oh well, at least we got an interesting conversation out of it, and are all suitably impressed by Han Solo's piloting skill and/or boasting abilities.
You do have a point there.
 
I've read a comment from George Lucas that it was an intentional error put in to show that Han Solo was a blowhard who didn't really know what he was talking about. But Lucas is known for historical revisionism in his comments about Star Wars.

As I recall, that explanation works fairly well with the expression on Obi-Wan's face when Han says it.

I believe the shooting script specifically mentions Obi-Wan's reaction, too. Ah, here it is.

Revised Fourth Draft, January 15, 1976
HAN
Fast ship? You've never heard of the
Millennium Falcon?

BEN
Should I have?

HAN
It's the ship that made the Kessel
run in less than twelve parsecs!

Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with
obvious misinformation.
 
What is that odd ship in front of it? It is a new type of runabout?
That's the USS Spirit, Rademaker's smaller slipstream starship from this year's Ships of the Line calendar. And he also did a new type of runabout in last year's!
 
What is that odd ship in front of it? It is a new type of runabout?
That's the USS Spirit, Rademaker's smaller slipstream starship from this year's Ships of the Line calendar. And he also did a new type of runabout in last year's!

Thanks for the link. The Spirit is an interesting ship. Given the image it must be a fair bit smaller then the Aventine given the size of the windows around its mid-section. Not sure of his intentions but it gives me test-bed vibes.

So he did. Just dug out my 2008 calendar (don't have 2009). I liked that runabout in the 2008 cal, really has that advanced futuristic science vessel appearance about it. Has Rademaker give out info about this vessel as he did about the Spirit anywhere?

I'm really liking his work.
 
I think Aventine looks great, and I like the paint job.

Just a thought, but how come 24th century Trek ships are looking meaner and meaner? This one looks like it’d scare off a Klingon battlecruiser. Would you believe “We come in peace” from a ship like this one?

I’m not too sure about the bridge in the middle of the ship. I know it’s just plain common sense, but somehow it seems un-Trek and wrong to me. I loved the bridge windows in the new film (even though the Kelvin one was so oversized compared to the rest of the windows and the shuttlebay. It still looked cool!) and was thinking it would be neat if a few of the post-TNG ships adopted it.

Getting really picky now: IIRC Aventine had brand-new pulse phaser canons. I was kinda expecting obvious turrets or something. And with such a missile-shaped ship, surely it’s about time some torpedo launchers were stuck in the sides, for some ye olde sea battles in space?

Most importantly of all though: How big is the Aventine? And how long can a largely pointless debate over how “wrong” that size is continue for? Months? Years?
 
I think Aventine looks great, and I like the paint job.

Just a thought, but how come 24th century Trek ships are looking meaner and meaner? This one looks like it’d scare off a Klingon battlecruiser. Would you believe “We come in peace” from a ship like this one?

I’m not too sure about the bridge in the middle of the ship. I know it’s just plain common sense, but somehow it seems un-Trek and wrong to me. I loved the bridge windows in the new film (even though the Kelvin one was so oversized compared to the rest of the windows and the shuttlebay. It still looked cool!) and was thinking it would be neat if a few of the post-TNG ships adopted it.

Getting really picky now: IIRC Aventine had brand-new pulse phaser canons. I was kinda expecting obvious turrets or something. And with such a missile-shaped ship, surely it’s about time some torpedo launchers were stuck in the sides, for some ye olde sea battles in space?

Most importantly of all though: How big is the Aventine? And how long can a largely pointless debate over how “wrong” that size is continue for? Months? Years?

We're Trek fans. The pointless debate will last decades. :)

I don't think the Vesta-class looks aggressive. Strong and capable and proud, yes, but not mean. it suggests the Federation can and will defend itself, and considers exploring space a noble task, but it certainly doesn't radiate hostility to me.

Anyway, who knows what the aesthetic standards of newly-contacted races will be? Also, isn't it circumstance that determines how you relate to a ship design? I think Minbari Sharlin warships in "Babylon Five" are the most beautiful spacecraft I've ever seen, but humans who fought them in-story call them ugly. :)
 
Fewer decks too, with the whole Voyager/Sovereign blended hulls thing going. I like.

As for the bridge, while purists would like to keep it "on top", I don't see a reason for Starfleet not to play with the formula every now and then based on advances in technology. They've toyed with the idea of bridge modules "sunken" into the hull of deck one (Defiant and arguably Excelsior) or partially protected by other superstructure elements (Akira), and these have hardly become the norm for other starship designs. It's true that some visitors to the Aventine may be a bit confised when they walk around a corner into a door marked "bridge" instead of taking the usual turbolift route, but hardly a showstopper.

Now, because I'm a bridge nerd, I'm wondering is we know anything about the bridge other than its location? Stations, configuration, etc.? Anything written in the books? Or if KRADo can shed some light on his thoughts for the most important room? I'd reason the bridge to be somewhere on deck three or four, in a location roughly analogous to where it would be on the saucer if the darker grey "hump" wasn't there - just behind the two litle rectangles. But what's IN the bridge, we must know!

EDIT - The frontal view suggests a row of windows that could be a really big, really comfortable conference lounge. Counting rows of windows, that should be on deck five, and would be really cool if folks on the bridge would go to a forward-looking conference room instead of the more traditional aft-facing editions. Voyager nonwithstanding. :P

Mark
 
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Just a thought, but how come 24th century Trek ships are looking meaner and meaner? This one looks like it’d scare off a Klingon battlecruiser. Would you believe “We come in peace” from a ship like this one?
I don't think it looks very mean actually; just very clunky, with all the thick bevels, extruded faces and high-contrast paintjobs (like the black on the Sovereign saucer, or the green patches on the Excelsior and on the Aventine). That makes this ship (and the Sovereign) actually look somewhat backwards in technology. Which isn't bad persé; perhaps Starfleet doesn't want high technology vessels any longer, just vessels they can build fast and cheap.
 
I think having the bridge not right top on the hull is a better way to have it. I mean granted the ship is an explorer but she can put up a fight too and I think some of Starfleets Ships of the Line should have a bridge hidden in case of a firefight getting out of control and some how the enemy is thinking they want to knock out the bridge. Look at "Twilight" (ENT) for example. Even through the NX-01 had shields, she lost her bridge.
 
Ugly.

Not just ugly, but...BUTT ugly.

In fact, I highly doubt a starship could be designed any uglier.
 
Ugly.

Not just ugly, but...BUTT ugly.

In fact, I highly doubt a starship could be designed any uglier.

Have a look at some of the ships for the upcoming game, Star Trek Online and I think you'll find you can get far uglier.

I think having the bridge not right top on the hull is a better way to have it. I mean granted the ship is an explorer but she can put up a fight too and I think some of Starfleets Ships of the Line should have a bridge hidden in case of a firefight getting out of control and some how the enemy is thinking they want to knock out the bridge. Look at "Twilight" (ENT) for example. Even through the NX-01 had shields, she lost her bridge.

Actually the NX-01 didn't have shields, she "polarised" her hull to increase its strength so when you hit the ship you always hit the hull.
 
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