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Spoilers Avengers: Infinity War grade and discussion thread

How do you rate "Avengers: Infinity War"?


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Frankly I think it's close to a miracle that Marvel managed not only to take all of these characters and storylines and mesh them together, but to do so in such a cohesive and satisfying way. (Funny, I remember thinking pretty much the same thing about another certain crossoover event film that came out about, oh, six years ago.) It was two and a half hours of payoff with a huge gut punch at the end. Sure, we all know that most, if not all, of those Snap deaths are probably going to be reversed in A4, but I feel extremely confident in saying that a major price will be paid to accomplish that. It's very telling, to me at least, that among the survivors are the original Avengers team (minus Clint, but I'll bet he survived the culling off-screen). A4 is looking like it will be a last hurrah for those core characters, with some not surviving, and by that movie's end they will have essentially passed the torch on to the next group of heroes.

I did find it a little odd that the movie opened with Thanos having already acquired the Power Stone. I understand why they did it that way, but I would have liked to have seen it actually happen. I'd love to see that event get shifted to a cold open for a Nova movie in the near future (which I really, really want to happen), with Thanos showing up on Xandar and utterly wrecking the Nova Corps before destroying Xandar with the Power Stone, but not before a mortally wounded Rhomann Dey escapes with the last remaining fragment of the Xandarian Worldmind, which generates the Nova Force. Cut to the Marvel Studios fanfare, and then the movie shifts to Richard Rider on Earth. Here's hoping...

I'm a big fan of Doctor Strange, and I absolutely loved how he was handled in this movie, even moreso than in his own movie. Strange is still arrogant in his own way, but it's an arrogance tempered by the burden he's accepted as a guardian of Earth and reality itself. His interactions with Iron Man were pitch perfect. He's not impressed whatsoever by Stark and he isn't afraid to remind Stark that he's not the only brilliant mind in the room. It's a reaction that I don't think Stark is used to getting from people and it was very refreshing to see.

One of the Russo brothers confirmed in an interview that Spider-Man: Homecoming got the chronology wrong and Infinity War confirmed that it has been six years since The Avengers and two years since Civil War. I wonder how this will effect Homecoming's sequel since I recall reading that the original idea was for a trilogy of movies, each covering a different year of high school (sophomore, junior, senior), but if IW is two years after CW, then Peter should be a senior when all of this is going down. SM2 is apparently meant to take place immediately after A4, so I hope we don't get another chronology screw-up. Honestly I'd be perfectly fine with SM2 having Peter starting college.

It was nice to see Fury and Hill again, and Fury's final line as he disintegrated cracked me up. "Motherf--!" :lol: I can't wait to see Captain Marvel join the party, and I'm very curious to see how they explain why Fury waited until now to call on her.

And while originally I thought that having Ant-Man and the Wasp be released after Infinity War but take place before it was kinda odd, after that ending, I can understand why, and AM&TW looks like it's gonna be a nice, fun pick-me-up after the emotionally heavy IW.
 

Fuck! :(

I think the box office will take a hit in subsequent weeks now that half of Earth's population has been wiped out, so there's a smaller potential audience pool! :D



That's always bugged me with recent blockbusters. We work so hard to make tentpole franchises for the rest of the world and then let the furreners watch 'em first?!? How is that fair?!?! :p

Hollywood has realized that the entire world is watching their movies and that the worldwide box office is bigger than only the US market? Took them a few decades but i think Hollywood has realized that there is life outside the US :D


After 2 straight years as Hulk, when he turned back into Banner, he seemed to not have too much trouble turning back into the Hulk while battling Hela's forces at the end of Thor: Ragnarok.

I suspect that Hulk is just scared of Thanos. Thanos is, after all, the only one to well & truly kick his ass. His fight with Thor in Thor: Ragnarok was kind of a draw until Thor started summoning his lightning powers (and then the Grandmaster cheated by using the shock implant on Thor, allowing Hulk to "win" the fight). And while Iron Man kinda took him out using the Hulkbuster armor in The Avengers: Age of Ultron, he only did it by sucker punching him while Hulk was distracted by all of the terrified civilians.

That would be my guess too but i think it would have been better if they at least alluded to it in the movies but then again once Thanos or rather his "children" hit Earth the first time the action moved so fast that there was no time for quiet reflection on the psyche of the green ragemonster.

Frankly, I think Iron Man has been suppressing a great bundle of neuroses ever since the first movie, starting with his survivor's guilt when he failed to save Yensin. It also seemed like he was the hardest hit by Coulson's death. While Tony keeps forcing himself into this fight, I kinda feel like he's one of the least qualified to be out on the front lines and the one who least wants to be there but just can't help himself.

I hope that Tony Stark survives the next movie and I hope that he gets a happy ending. I felt that he earned the happy ending that he got at the end of Iron Man 3 and I kinda hate it when the sequels threaten to undermine that. But then, I think I'm unreasonably emotionally invested in the Tony/Pepper romance. I was really heartbroken when they broke up off screen in Captain America: Civil War and I was ridiculously overjoyed when Pepper made her surprise cameo at the end of Spider-Man: Homecoming. ;)

I believe Stark put his neuroses to rest in Iron Man 3, that was one of the central themes of that movie and i liked it very much to seea superhero actually having to deal with PTSD.

Even if Tony actively doesn't like to display affection he deeply cares for thise close to him and i believe he came to truly respect and like Coulson because he was one of the few who actually called him out on his shenanigans, stood up to him, was not impressed by the wealth and gizmos and Stark respects this. So even if they were not "official friends" like Rhodes (another character who called out Tony on his bullshit directly) he was considering him a friend which is why he got so pissed off when Loki killed Coulson.

Precisely for this reason and the extreme shock value i believe it is time for Iron Man to die. Thanos already killed some fan favorites like Loki but there is no better way to raise the stakes and actually make people care about the events than to kill major characters. Killing half the universe is horrible on the factual side but we don't care about an alien several galaxies away, hell we don't even care about the regular humans we see vanishing in the Fury/Hill scene at the end of the movie but sacrificing main and extremely popular characters like Iron Man?

That may actually break the internet and make worldwide news (the same level as when they killed off Cap in the comics at the end of Civil War.. friggin' CNN reported on this comic book event!)

I think they're dark in different ways. With the DC movies, it's more of a stylistic darkness, which I like. A lot of my favorite SF/F movies have a dark, moody visual aspect to them (Aliens, Batman Returns, Blade, Daredevil, Star Trek: First Contact, The Terminator, V for Vendetta, etc.). The Marvel Studios films have never been that, and The Avengers: Infinity War is no exception. Visually, the movie is on par with most of the other Marvel films. It's not as colorful as Guardians of the Galaxy but it's not as dark as 20th Century Fox's X-Men movies either.

I think DC has lost it when they transplanted Batman's inherent darkness and "dark attitude" to be the core of their entire lineup and it was their major mistake, especially with Superman.

A brooding Superman full of internal conflict just doesn't suit him, especially the version in Superman vs. Batman (i was actually shocked to see and hear Superman laughing in Justice League).

Marvel is no stranger to dark spots in a character's bio.. Uncle Ben's death is the one event to kickstart Spiderman's entire motivation to be a superhero, it takes a death for Stark to abandon his selfish and hedonistic lifestyle and become a hero etc.. However they don't vanish into this darkness but rather dip in from time to time and they try to make their comics fun and entertaining.


My description of the feeling of the end of the movie would be "funereal." The movie just kinda punches you in the back of the head and then runs away. From the abject failure of the heroes at the end to the lack of any sort of uplifting counterpoint in the final moments to the epic tragedy conveyed by the score to the stark minimalism of the closing credits, everything is meant to upset you and push your "sad" buttons. I felt like the movie missed a trick by giving us a post credits scene. I felt like the movie would have been even more unsettling if, after 16 straight movies, they decided to not give us a post credits scene. Then we could really look in Marvel's face and say, "I don't know who you are anymore!" ;)

Uhm.. the movie had the tradtional post credits scene, just not directly related to the movie itself but a teaser for the next major movie.

I did find it a little odd that the movie opened with Thanos having already acquired the Power Stone. I understand why they did it that way, but I would have liked to have seen it actually happen. I'd love to see that event get shifted to a cold open for a Nova movie in the near future (which I really, really want to happen), with Thanos showing up on Xandar and utterly wrecking the Nova Corps before destroying Xandar with the Power Stone, but not before a mortally wounded Rhomann Dey escapes with the last remaining fragment of the Xandarian Worldmind, which generates the Nova Force. Cut to the Marvel Studios fanfare, and then the movie shifts to Richard Rider on Earth. Here's hoping...

That would have only worked if Marvel intended to make the Nova Corps any kind of a factor in the MCU at all. Seeing Xandar destroyed might have been "nice" in a visual kind of way but it would jjust have been a needless usage of 5-10 minutes screen time for an already long movie.

I think it was the right choice to exclude it, maybe we will get a scene as a flashback in Infinity War 2 or it will be dealt with in Captain Marvel to explain her absence from the main fight in Infinity War.

I'm a big fan of Doctor Strange, and I absolutely loved how he was handled in this movie, even moreso than in his own movie. Strange is still arrogant in his own way, but it's an arrogance tempered by the burden he's accepted as a guardian of Earth and reality itself. His interactions with Iron Man were pitch perfect. He's not impressed whatsoever by Stark and he isn't afraid to remind Stark that he's not the only brilliant mind in the room. It's a reaction that I don't think Stark is used to getting from people and it was very refreshing to see.

Is it arrogance if you are actually superior to everybody in intelligence and power? :p

I really liked Strange in this one too, he is a hardcore efficient guy much like Stark and he has no time holding himself back just so he can spare some egos and have the others catch up. He has a game plan (it may be the only one to actually lead to ultimate victory over Thanos) and no time to brief everybody (especially the audience who have to see Infinity War 2).
 
I think it was the right choice to exclude it, maybe we will get a scene as a flashback in Infinity War 2 or it will be dealt with in Captain Marvel to explain her absence from the main fight in Infinity War.
Captain Marvel will be set in the 90’s, so presumably won’t deal with these events at all.
 
"You were slain by Thanos, for the good of the Universe." :wah:

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Amy: EMH man, I remember you, and you are late for my wedding!
 
I just got back from seeing it and gave it a solid B +. I felt there was some pacing issues, sketchy CGI and I think I'm a bit worn out from the hype that maybe i didn't enjoy it as much as i thought i would. Overall it is a solid movie and kudos needs to be given to the Russo Brothers for being able to handle so many characters and give each one a moment or a few to shine. DC seriously need to take notes. In terms of characters, Thanos was the real stand out for me, it really is his movie and he is probably one of the greatest villains ever put to film. He's complicated and multi-faceted and it's very easy to see his point of view and sympathize with what he is doing and why. But yeah, this movie is brutal, takes risks and the ending is something else. I don't know how earths mightiest heroes are going to get out of this pickle.


DC doesn't have to take ANY fraking notes-I thought that they did well with Justice League, and I'd like to see another movie with the same cast, director, and scriptwriter. People are/were just pissy with the DC movies because they didn't copy the MCU exactly (with the same humorous jokes each couple of minutes in the movie) along with other bullcrap objections (Henry Cavill has to learn from Tyler Hochlin about how to be Superman?:rolleyes:
Give me a break!) Making any future DC movie like the MCU exactly because it makes people feel good is just fraking ridiculous, and then some.
 
I just saw the movie, and it was fucking great. A few small things I didn't like, but nothing big. It managed to juggle a huge cast really well. The story was really good, and it had a good balance of serious with humor only in the appropriate places. Its not quite my favorite MCU film, but its definitely top tier. I voted A.
 
DC doesn't have to take ANY fraking notes-I thought that they did well with Justice League, and I'd like to see another movie with the same cast, director, and scriptwriter. People are/were just pissy with the DC movies because they didn't copy the MCU exactly (with the same humorous jokes each couple of minutes in the movie) along with other bullcrap objections (Henry Cavill has to learn from Tyler Hochlin about how to be Superman?:rolleyes:
Give me a break!) Making any future DC movie like the MCU exactly because it makes people feel good is just fraking ridiculous, and then some.

Chill out dude. I didn't say anywhere in my post that DC movies need to be like marvel, but they should take note on how not to have a shared universe that is a total hot mess.
 
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DC doesn't have to take ANY fraking notes-I thought that they did well with Justice League, and I'd like to see another movie with the same cast, director, and scriptwriter. People are/were just pissy with the DC movies because they didn't copy the MCU exactly (with the same humorous jokes each couple of minutes in the movie) along with other bullcrap objections (Henry Cavill has to learn from Tyler Hochlin about how to be Superman?:rolleyes:
Give me a break!) Making any future DC movie like the MCU exactly because it makes people feel good is just fraking ridiculous, and then some.

First of all, I enjoyed Justice League. It was fun but it is certainly nowhere near the level of Infinity War. And no, DC does not have to copy Marvel exactly. But DC does need to get the cinematic universe formula right which it did not do. The MCU gave us a bunch of great solo movies that could stand on their own and really built up to the first group movie (Avengers 1). The key to Marvel's success is that the solo movies were great on their own. And we got enough solo movies to really love and care for the individual characters. DC just gave us one solo movie (Man of Steel) to mixed reviews, gave us one combo movie with both Superman and Batman, again to mixed reviews, and shoehorned the death of Supes to the end of the movie, then gave us one great solo movie (Wonder Woman), then tried to make the epic team movie. Except for Wonder Woman and maybe Batman, there was no real investment into the characters. The Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman were all brand new in JL and Supes was MIA for the first half of the movie because he was killed off in the last one. The DCEU foundation was weak to begin with.

What DC should have done IMHO is given us a great solo Superman movie, a great solo Batman movie, a great solo Flash movie, a great solo Aquaman movie, then the great solo Wonder Woman movie then done Justice League instead of Batman V Superman. Then, they should have teased DarkSeid in JL, done Batman V Superman after JL, given us another solo rebirth of Superman movie, give us another solo Batman movie, another solo Wonder Woman movie, then done an epic Justice League 2 with DarkSeid as the main villain. Really build up your cinematic universe before you give us the epic crossover.
 
I enjoyed the movie, though I kinda wish they'd kept "Part I" in the title. It's not too late to still call next year's sequel "Part II", and retroactively apply "Part I" to home media releases!

In terms of ambition, scale, hype, and inherent incompleteness, I was reminded of The Matrix Reloaded. And while I'm sure these two movies will go down in history as better than Reloaded/Revolutions (especially their second halves), I will say that, for all its smackings and thwackings, Infinity War lacked a standout action sequence on the order of Reloaded's Burly Brawl, chateau fight, garage/street/highway chase, power plant/skyscraper assault, or Civil War's airport battle. There were lots of cool action moments in Infinity War, especially the many Stranges, the fight for the gauntlet, and Thanos' arrival in Wakanda, but the overall sequences, especially the Edinburgh fight, often felt kinda samey and inconsequential. The big Wakandans vs. space dogs battle was particularly unremarkable, seemingly just there to finally add some scale to what had been, until then, a movie almost entirely devoid of bystanders, or indeed anyone not a main cast member from an earlier movie. Also, apart from gauntlet tussle, none of the action sequences really had clear objectives, apart from kinda-sorta buying Shuri time to untangle Vision, or even moving parts, to make them stand out. Here's hoping that next year's movie, with fewer characters to juggle, can take the time to make its action sequences really pop.

B+
 
What DC should have done IMHO is given us a great solo Superman movie, a great solo Batman movie, a great solo Flash movie, a great solo Aquaman movie, then the great solo Wonder Woman movie then done Justice League instead of Batman V Superman. Then, they should have teased DarkSeid in JL, done Batman V Superman after JL, given us another solo rebirth of Superman movie, give us another solo Batman movie, another solo Wonder Woman movie, then done an epic Justice League 2 with DarkSeid as the main villain. Really build up your cinematic universe before you give us the epic crossover.

The problem is that MOS wasn't meant to be a real "Shared Universe" film, just like with Donner the movie was just supposed to be the start of standalone Superman movies. So retrofitting it into a Shared Universe was the first problem.

Also...DC's always had a problem with their character co-existing right from day one. Marvel on the other hand was designed deliberately for this sort of this. So there are fundamental problems.
 
I saw this this morning, and I really enjoyed it.
I have to admit, I was a little nervous about them having the juggle so many characters, but I thought managed to pull it off incredibly well. Every character was given a moment to shine for both their personality, and in the action scenes.
Thanos was a much more interesting character than I expected. I have to admit, I expected him to pretty much just kind of be off in the background while we focused on all of the heroes, so I was surprised by just how much attention and development he was given.
The character groupings and interactions were a outstanding, with Dr. Strange and Iron Man, and Thor and the Guardians being a highlight.
The action scenes were all good, with the Wakanda battle being especially cool.
I went into this expecting Loki's death, but Gamora and Heimdall's were both a big shock.
As soon as I heard that this ended on a cliffhanger, I expected Thanos to succeed, but with the way the whole thing played out they still managed to make it feel shocking.
I accidentally spoiled myself on Red Skull and Nick Fury being in the movie, but I didn't know how their stuff played out, so their scenes were still surprising.
This one gets and A+ from me.
 
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