Spoilers Avengers: Infinity War grade and discussion thread
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More to the point: since when could humans breath an almost pure nitrogen atmosphere, in an environment cold enough to condense methane into a liquid?
You should try the Christmas family dinner at my sister's house.More to the point: since when could humans breath an almost pure nitrogen atmosphere, in an environment cold enough to condense methane into a liquid?
I'm not likely to see this movie in theaters, if at all, but Marvel Studios isn't known for its narrative complexity, and so I don't think it's a stretch to say that the likelihood of them being able to make the ending of this movie mean something in the long run - especially if they undo it - is rather small.
And since Days of Future Past has been brought up, that film has lasting consequences due to the fact that, in the end, it ultimately doesn't matter that the timeline was changed because we still end up with a dark and dystopian future in which mutantkind is being hunted or otherwise eliminated; the only thing that changes is the circumstances by which that future unfolds.
And since Days of Future Past has been brought up, that film has lasting consequences due to the fact that, in the end, it ultimately doesn't matter that the timeline was changed because we still end up with a dark and dystopian future in which mutantkind is being hunted or otherwise eliminated; the only thing that changes is the circumstances by which that future unfolds.
Damn.. even though we all know Holland will reprise his role that was a heartbreaking scene
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.. there's bound to be some resurrections of characters yet to continue in their solo movies (and possible forming Avengers 2.0 for the next few phases) but i believe Marvel knows the shitstorm about to happen if they really go the Dallas path, aka "It was all a dream".
Some contracts of the initial actors are done after Infinity War so why don't go out with a bang, it's not like recasting would ever work after you had Downey Jr. defining and cementing this role or Chris Evans breaking out of less known actor to become a near A lister (he's yet to prove that he can helm other big blockbusters like Chris Pratt before i call him an A lister).
They destroyed Shield and that stuck around and opened new storylines so i really believe we're in for a score of hard hitting deaths in Infinity War 2.
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Saw this film last night.
I'm not a huge Marvel fan - I've loosely followed the series, and seen a good chunk of the films, but I've missed quite a few too:
Thor 2 & 3
Black Panther
1st Captain America
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Spider Man
I'm also not into the background of the comics or the characters either, so I'm the very definition of a casual fan. Some of the films in the MCU I've really enjoyed - The first Avengers film, Winter Soldier, Civil War, First Iron Man, Ant Man, Dr Strange, and some that I outright disliked - Age of Ultron and Guardians of the Galaxy both just bored me, even on the big screen.
I thought this was great though. Hands down the most visually amazing film I've ever seen, it's reported that this cost over 300 million dollars to make and by god it's all up there on screen. I thought the new Trek films were big on action and CG but this just makes them look like small, quaint adventures in comparison. It even blows the first two Avengers films into the weeds for sheer spectacle. Worth the price of admission alone.
Thanos I thought was one of the best villains I've seen in this kind of film for a long time, every time he appeared on screen I was excited to see him, he was just a big, looming, threatening presence throughout the film - yet was very well written and had clear (if insane) motives, and was at times, sympathetic. When I saw the pictures of him in the build up, I thought he just looked like yet another generic oversized CG villain, that didn't even look very well rendered - boy was I wrong here, the performance capture was on Planet of the Apes level, and really brought the character to life. Full marks here.
I was really expecting the film to collapse under it's own weight with the sheer number of characters in this but it all seemed to slot together very well considering, and everyone seemed to have plenty to do, with the humour (a usual Marvel strong point) all landing very well, and the ending - wow. Wasn't expecting that at all.
It's a solid A from me.
I'm not a huge Marvel fan - I've loosely followed the series, and seen a good chunk of the films, but I've missed quite a few too:
Thor 2 & 3
Black Panther
1st Captain America
Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Spider Man
I'm also not into the background of the comics or the characters either, so I'm the very definition of a casual fan. Some of the films in the MCU I've really enjoyed - The first Avengers film, Winter Soldier, Civil War, First Iron Man, Ant Man, Dr Strange, and some that I outright disliked - Age of Ultron and Guardians of the Galaxy both just bored me, even on the big screen.
I thought this was great though. Hands down the most visually amazing film I've ever seen, it's reported that this cost over 300 million dollars to make and by god it's all up there on screen. I thought the new Trek films were big on action and CG but this just makes them look like small, quaint adventures in comparison. It even blows the first two Avengers films into the weeds for sheer spectacle. Worth the price of admission alone.
Thanos I thought was one of the best villains I've seen in this kind of film for a long time, every time he appeared on screen I was excited to see him, he was just a big, looming, threatening presence throughout the film - yet was very well written and had clear (if insane) motives, and was at times, sympathetic. When I saw the pictures of him in the build up, I thought he just looked like yet another generic oversized CG villain, that didn't even look very well rendered - boy was I wrong here, the performance capture was on Planet of the Apes level, and really brought the character to life. Full marks here.
I was really expecting the film to collapse under it's own weight with the sheer number of characters in this but it all seemed to slot together very well considering, and everyone seemed to have plenty to do, with the humour (a usual Marvel strong point) all landing very well, and the ending - wow. Wasn't expecting that at all.
It's a solid A from me.
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So there's no point to the rest, good to know.
Great movie, looking forward to seeing Captain Marvel.
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But that's the MCU way--no permanent deaths in this film. All one do is assume those who reached the end of their contracts (Downey, Jr., Evans and Hemsworth) may lead to character deaths, but all other major players should be expected to show up in A4, or another film.
Except that's not the Marvel way, it's just you assuming shit.
No, its you choosing to con yourself that its not the MCU way, when no one in his right mind believes Black Panther, Quill, Dr. Strange, Bucky and Spider-Man are dead, because for main characters, they face no real risk, unless the actors' contracts have reached their end.
No one believes characters whose movies have been announced are dead. Obviously. Bucky is probably still up in the air, though I suspect he'll be back precisely because he was tossed into the Snap, which clearly must be undone. Loki, who is a much more important character than Bucky, is almost certainly gone for good and it's not because his contract was up. I don't see Heimdall coming back, either, and while I'm hoping against hope for Vision, it's highly questionable whether he'll be back, either.
They still aren't clear on whether Logan is the actual end of the timeline or just some AU to get Jackman on his own for a "last hurrah".
Killing off absolutely everyone is lazy writing anyways, I'm sure there'll be lasting sacrifice to bring back some of the dead characters. Unlike DOFP.
Um, it IS the marvel way (and the DC way too) when it comes to major characters. No one STAYS dead, be it Jean Grey/Phoenix OR Superman.
In comic the journey is the thing, not the destination. We KNOW Thanos will be defeated and the majority of these 'turned to ash' deaths undone.
I don't get this "they're dead and better stay dead or nothing happened and the story is meaningless."
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If that's how you look at the Superhero genre why are you even reading the comics because the heroes never ultimately loose.
He doesn't like unashamed comic films, just the ashamed ones like Nolan's stuff....where Batman was not killed off either.
Where was Daredevil? Now the story can be told...
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The movies operate on a slightly different paradigm, i.e. they don't have the time and scope to play fast and lose with a character's life, especially when they're played by popular characters (or they made them popular again like Downey). They're on a much tighter timeframe and they can't wait a few years before they bring that character back for practical reasons.. they simply can't reserve an A list actor's schedule many years on advance (that only works with multi movie deals that rarely exceed a few consecutive years) on the possibility they might need him or rather it's risky because schedules may change and they only have him at time x and if that time passes the actor may not be available.
So when they do kill off a character they either must have immediate plans to do something about it to reverse it (like Clark Gregg who has known by the time Avengers was filmed that he would get his own show where he is to reprise the role) or it stays permanent for extreme shock value or story reasons.
For Avengers i guess all who got killed pre-finger snap will remain dead as their stories have played out and all after who have pending solo movies or just started out will come back (most notably Spiderman and Black Panther).
This is not correct. Both James Mangold and Hugh Jackman flat-out said that Logan is the future of the XMCU.