They couldn't make up their minds, still haven't. Jackman even said it was a different Universe. Anyone who says it IS the end is merely inferring that because there won't be anything set further down the line now.
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They couldn't make up their minds, still haven't. Jackman even said it was a different Universe. Anyone who says it IS the end is merely inferring that because there won't be anything set further down the line now.
No, he didn't; as I noted, both he and James Mangold unequivocally stated that Logan took place in the timeline created by the time travel events of DoFP.
If I need to, I can even find said statements for you and post them.
You probably should've led with that.
What Jackman says is nice but it's not canon.
He could change his mind or someone more relevant, like the screen writer or the director, could disagree with his opinion.
Hugh was there, when canon was being made and he didn't make it.
Bully.
He could change his mind or someone more relevant, like the screen writer or the director, could disagree with his opinion.
Hugh was there, when canon was being made and he didn't make it.
Bully.
My only complaint is that there weren’t really enough crowd shots. I think seeing huge crowds start turning to dust would just be horrifying. Maybe have a few other characters that we know in it, like Aunt May.
I really am concerned about what happened to May. Given the end of Homecoming, she knows Peter is Spider-Man. So she was at least very concerned about him when he disappears after a huge alien ship attacks the city, I know Iron Man is mentioned as missing but I’m not sure if it’s public knowledge that Spidey was with him. I hope she turned to dust purely to spare her from never having Peter come home, especially after losing her husband.
I really am concerned about what happened to May. Given the end of Homecoming, she knows Peter is Spider-Man. So she was at least very concerned about him when he disappears after a huge alien ship attacks the city, I know Iron Man is mentioned as missing but I’m not sure if it’s public knowledge that Spidey was with him. I hope she turned to dust purely to spare her from never having Peter come home, especially after losing her husband.
And I can find statements wherein they say stuff like it being a different Universe. They can't make up their minds.
You're not Hugh Jackman, so you don't get to decide what he meant... especially when he clarified what he meant less than a day after people made incorrect assumptions about what he meant.
I've been thinking about that, too, although I didn't go as far as hoping she was dusted, too. I'm also worried that we won't ever get to see the fallout of May discovering the truth about Peter considering the Homecoming sequel is supposedly set after Avengers 4 (aka The Untitled Sequel, which I'm declaring the title of the film until proven otherwise).
Bot of which are meaningless statements until either of you provide a source. Right now it's a he said, he said situation, and for those of us who don't follow those kind of statements are left doubting both claims.
And until he outright says "It's the absolute end of the X-Timeline" we have nothing to say it is.
Frankly, it's just another example of how poorly constructed the XCU is IMO.
Correction: James Mangold clarified what Jackman meant, but Jackman never contradicted his statement:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mang0ld/...imeline-comments/&tfw_creator=ComicFilmUpdate
https://mobile.twitter.com/mang0ld/...imeline-comments/&tfw_creator=ComicFilmUpdate
I think the box office will take a hit in subsequent weeks now that half of Earth's population has been wiped out, so there's a smaller potential audience pool!
That's always bugged me with recent blockbusters. We work so hard to make tentpole franchises for the rest of the world and then let the furreners watch 'em first?!? How is that fair?!?!
I seem to recall the "Rihannsu" novels going into a lot of detail about Vulcan & Romulan history and what precipitated the Romulans' decision to leave Vulcan. Unfortunately, it's been about 20 years since I've read any of them, so I don't really recall the details. (However, they do establish that "Rihannsu" is what the Romulans actually call themselves. "Romulan" is just the Anglicized version of that.)
After 2 straight years as Hulk, when he turned back into Banner, he seemed to not have too much trouble turning back into the Hulk while battling Hela's forces at the end of Thor: Ragnarok.
I suspect that Hulk is just scared of Thanos. Thanos is, after all, the only one to well & truly kick his ass. His fight with Thor in Thor: Ragnarok was kind of a draw until Thor started summoning his lightning powers (and then the Grandmaster cheated by using the shock implant on Thor, allowing Hulk to "win" the fight). And while Iron Man kinda took him out using the Hulkbuster armor in The Avengers: Age of Ultron, he only did it by sucker punching him while Hulk was distracted by all of the terrified civilians.
Frankly, I think Iron Man has been suppressing a great bundle of neuroses ever since the first movie, starting with his survivor's guilt when he failed to save Yensin. It also seemed like he was the hardest hit by Coulson's death. While Tony keeps forcing himself into this fight, I kinda feel like he's one of the least qualified to be out on the front lines and the one who least wants to be there but just can't help himself.
I hope that Tony Stark survives the next movie and I hope that he gets a happy ending. I felt that he earned the happy ending that he got at the end of Iron Man 3 and I kinda hate it when the sequels threaten to undermine that. But then, I think I'm unreasonably emotionally invested in the Tony/Pepper romance. I was really heartbroken when they broke up off screen in Captain America: Civil War and I was ridiculously overjoyed when Pepper made her surprise cameo at the end of Spider-Man: Homecoming.
I think they're dark in different ways. With the DC movies, it's more of a stylistic darkness, which I like. A lot of my favorite SF/F movies have a dark, moody visual aspect to them (Aliens, Batman Returns, Blade, Daredevil, Star Trek: First Contact, The Terminator, V for Vendetta, etc.). The Marvel Studios films have never been that, and The Avengers: Infinity War is no exception. Visually, the movie is on par with most of the other Marvel films. It's not as colorful as Guardians of the Galaxy but it's not as dark as 20th Century Fox's X-Men movies either.
My description of the feeling of the end of the movie would be "funereal." The movie just kinda punches you in the back of the head and then runs away. From the abject failure of the heroes at the end to the lack of any sort of uplifting counterpoint in the final moments to the epic tragedy conveyed by the score to the stark minimalism of the closing credits, everything is meant to upset you and push your "sad" buttons. I felt like the movie missed a trick by giving us a post credits scene. I felt like the movie would have been even more unsettling if, after 16 straight movies, they decided to not give us a post credits scene. Then we could really look in Marvel's face and say, "I don't know who you are anymore!"
It actually needed it, it gave us a ray of hope that help was coming.
"You were slain by Thanos, for the good of the Universe."
"And there's one other person you pissed off. His name was Emh!"
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As to the OT question about whether Logan is canon for the new X-Men movies timeline or an AU, I go back on forth on that. For the sake of continuity nitpicking, I assume that it is canon until any future movie contradicts that. However, I generally personally pretend that it's not canon just so I can sleep at night. Because, damn, that's depressing!
The only character that we actually cared about to be perma-killed in the Buffy finale was Anya. We already knew that Spike was coming back the following season on Angel and the other deaths were all cannon-fodder Potentials.
Speaking of Joss Whedon, I would just like to note that both Gamora and Vision fell in love and both of them died. Are we SURE that Joss Whedon didn't do this one?! Seems ironic that his most notorious trope shows up twice in the one Avengers movie that he didn't direct.
Is it just me, or is the city behind him totally the planet from the new Star Wars Land that they're adding to Disneyland?
Yeah, but their cars are still here, so he hasn't fixed the parking problem at all!
It's Left Behind all over again! Save us, Kirk Cameron!
Me too. Whew!
The only character that we actually cared about to be perma-killed in the Buffy finale was Anya. We already knew that Spike was coming back the following season on Angel and the other deaths were all cannon-fodder Potentials.
Speaking of Joss Whedon, I would just like to note that both Gamora and Vision fell in love and both of them died. Are we SURE that Joss Whedon didn't do this one?! Seems ironic that his most notorious trope shows up twice in the one Avengers movie that he didn't direct.
We never saw this scene either. A little exchange with Natasha and Banner was cut.
Is it just me, or is the city behind him totally the planet from the new Star Wars Land that they're adding to Disneyland?
Yeah, but their cars are still here, so he hasn't fixed the parking problem at all!
It's Left Behind all over again! Save us, Kirk Cameron!
Me too. Whew!
I'm going to make everyone I know check that. Anyone killed, I'm just going to ignore them for the next year.
Yet it feels like a cop-out to me. They blinked.
Maybe Logan is part of the Deadpool Universe.
No one here was talking about the comics. Obviously they work on different rules. Also, no one here said anything about the snap related deaths being permanent. We all know full well that Black Panther didn't have the most successful solo movie in MCU history just to instantly die in an Avengers movie and never be heard from again.
The Marvel (Read: MCU) Way already includes the death of major characters. To claim that it wouldn't continue that in a story with such massive stakes as this one is ridiculous.