Poll Avengers: Endgame vs Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker global box office

[theenglish]

It’s not the hate. It just didn’t age well. Cameron also really screwed up waiting 10+ years to make sequels. No one really wants Avatar any more and now four more movies are coming which many don’t want or care about. And also Avatar has had its day as top dog. It’s time to to stand aside.

I'm always surprised by Cameron's success at the box office. ALL OF HIS movies are corny. But they are fun and they always deliver. I think the only movie of his where I didn't have several eye roll moments was The Abyss. But overall I enjoy them and I am not going to poopoo on the sequels until they actually come out.

 

[theenglish]

I don't think the inflation adjusted comparisons really work beyond about a decade either way.

They were different eras.

Culture has changed, people have fallen in and out of love with cinema, streaming and the home movie market developed, the games industry developed, China went from nowhere to the second largest movie market in the world, etc.

Gone With The Wind was a monumental achievement but it's literally a different world today, I don't think it's comparable.

The comparisons with Avatar and Titanic are a little more relevant, and obviously to TFA is very relevant. At the end of the day though, it's not an easy apples vs apples comparison.

I think it is only relevant in a certain context. What the list shows is that movies meant something quite different in the era when a movie could be in theatres for an entire summer. It shows that when we talk about box office numbers today we are only able to compare them to a limited time frame.

 

[ichab]

While Endgame was knocked off by John Wick 3, the film nonetheless achieved another landmark: It has passed Avatar domestically, now at $770.8 million. Just another $174 million to pass Avatar globally.

 

[ITDUDE]

Thiiis close heading into this weekend:

At this point it doesn't look like Endgame will catch Avatar https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...james-cameron-disney-box-office/#29ce4ddb879a
Of course unless Disney does some christmas re-release or some such thing. Anyhow, as much as it pains me to say it: All hail King James Cameron

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I still think it will, it'll just take some more time. It's been barely out longer than a month for crying out loud!

 

[Anwar]

Thiiis close heading into this weekend:

At this point it doesn't look like Endgame will catch Avatar https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...james-cameron-disney-box-office/#29ce4ddb879a
Of course unless Disney does some christmas re-release or some such thing. Anyhow, as much as it pains me to say it: All hail King James Cameron

Eh, Avatar only made its money by being out for a whole year.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I think it is only relevant in a certain context. What the list shows is that movies meant something quite different in the era when a movie could be in theatres for an entire summer. It shows that when we talk about box office numbers today we are only able to compare them to a limited time frame.

You can argue adjusting for inflation isn’t an objective metric, but if you make that argument you’re saying having all time lists is ridiculous to begin with and it’s pointless to make comparisons beyond a few years.

Maybe if you wanted a more objective measure you could come up with some kind of Nate Silverish “Gross over replacement movie” metric that takes into account differences in movie culture, not to mention the movie’s MPAA rating. But you certainly can’t say Avatar or Endgame did more impressively well than Gone With The Wind, Jaws or Star Wars strictly based on gross.

 

[Mudd]

They can eventually find some way by counting up all the loose change in theater seats to declare Endgame the "winner," six months or a year from now.*

Which will be of use mainly for bar room arguments and fodder for YouTube bloviators...but the answer is actually: No. Nope. Not this time.

*Midnight's Edge is currently preparing a six-part video detailing the systematic underreporting of Endgame revenue by exhibitors trying to curry favor with Cameron for Reasons.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Remind me again how long it took Avatar to reach it's final count?

Again, because apparently it needs to be repeated, Endgame has only been out for six weeks.

 

[Mudd]

Remind me again how long it took Avatar to reach it's final count?

Bar room arguments. And YouTube fodder.

 

[Marsden]

And BBS Forums.

 

[Mudd]

And BBS Forums.

We have no idea how much drinking goes on behind keyboards.

 

[ITDUDE]

Like Thanos this was innevitable: https://www.wired.com/story/avengers-endgame-re-release/
With new footage and other stuff, a lot of people will go to watch it. It will more than make up the $40mil or so that it is behind Avatar and will definitely take top spot!

 

[JD]

Remind me again how long it took Avatar to reach it's final count?

Again, because apparently it needs to be repeated, Endgame has only been out for six weeks.

That's all? For some reason I was thinking it had been a lot longer than that since it came out.

 

[ITDUDE]

And it's now official

https://www.empireonline.com/movies...rvel-over-avengers-endgame-box-office-record/

Cameron is class act! (also I'm sure he hopes to beat Endgame with each of the four Avatar sequels he's making)

 

[Tom Hendricks]

And it's now official

https://www.empireonline.com/movies...rvel-over-avengers-endgame-box-office-record/

Cameron is class act! (also I'm sure he hopes to beat Endgame with each of the four Avatar sequels he's making)

I wouldn’t be surprised if Avatar gets another theatrical release just before Avatar 2: Electric Boogaloo get released, to remind people of what Avatar is.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Neither will pass Avatar.

*bookmarks page*

Feel free. Anyone who predicts anything will be wrong often enough that embarrassment about the fact is stupid.

That said, you might want to look at what the past numbers for all these things are before you settle into preemptive smuggery - Endgame would have to leap so substantially above any previous Marvel movie in order to pass the worldwide numbers for Avatar that any smart bookie would post long odds against it. Hell, the second most successful film in history is neither SW nor Marvel, but a 20 year-old movie also directed by Cameron.

And it's now official

Oops.

 

[thribs]

Hasn’t beaten Gone with the Wind yet.

 

[Saul]

Oops.

So much win

 

[Verteron]

Hasn’t beaten Gone with the Wind yet.

Inflation-adjusted, it hasn't beaten Avatar or Titanic or Star Wars yet, either. Adjusting for inflation is not an exact science though as you have to really take in to account average salary, cost of living and disposable income.

Example, US $1 in 1939 is the same as $18.43 in today's money, but the average salary was $1,368, which on an inflationary measure only means people would need to earn $25,200 to have the same income, while the actual average income has grown to $46,800.

Yet although people have more disposable income now, since practically no-one had a TV in 1939, going to the cinema was seen as more of an 'event' and so a higher % may have desired to go see Gone With the Wind for that reason.

It's very much swings and roundabouts... it's a big achievement for the film either way.