Misquoting is apparently against the rules when some do it.
Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread
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I'm calling people a racist who are making disparaging and hateful remarks against white males, which you did. I don't care if you disagree with my world view, but don't generalize and make hateful remarks about people of a race and/gender because they don't agree with you or because you seem to think this is socially acceptable. It can't be. Racism is wrong, no matter what race is being disparaged.
When one openly takes someone else's post, edits it, admits to editing it, and then reposts it attributing the edited quote to the original poster, that is a misquote, a lie, and libel. Why don't you scroll up and see what happened, and see if you agree.
No one is disparaging white men, the only one attacking anyone is you.
I do agree, I saw Neroon reprimanding someone the other day for doing the exact same thing.
It sounds like you haven't read a single post in this discussion. You attacked white men. Here's your quote again: "The idea that white men are the “real victims” is the most utterly pathetic nonsense I’ve ever heard. I wish they’d grow up, but that isn’t happening." How is that not racist? How is that not disparaging white men?
In this thread, another poster took one of my comments, changed from this:
"I am, which is why I have no problem calling out racism, sexism, and ageism, even if it's against a race, age, and gender that liberals seem to think it's ok to hate."
to this:
"I am, which is why I have no problem partaking in racism, sexism, and ageism"
This is a personal attack in every form, and a lie. If you don't see that, you didn't read it.
And here's another attack:
"@Kirk Prime , I just want to say, as a straight white male, I’m embarrassed by your behavior."
Now please show me where I attacked someone personally, rather than the argument they were making.
Thank you. All I am saying right now is that racism, in any form, and sexism, in any form, is wrong. If it doesn't apply to everyone, then any statement of belief of that factor is meaningless and hypocritical.
Hate is hate, no matter which race or gender is on the receiving end. It's indefensible.
No.
These discussions seem to follow a similar trajectory. Like Brie's comments about a dud movie might be somewhat relevant but if it was so that the movie was not meant for a wider audience then that is just bad business. However I disagree with her in that we all should have a right to critique a creative work, even a 40 year old white male dude.
What gets me is that this movie Endgame is about team work and sacrifice. It's not a female empowerment trip or a male empowerment one. It's an ensemble where the original team shine the brightest.
I won't argue with any of that. I'm not a fan of what Brie Larson said, but she was pretty good as Captain Marvel. I think the best writers are the ones that try to make something for everyone, and I think MCEU does that very well. And they do it in a way that doesn't come off obnoxious in any way.
And this movie was about everything you said. What an amazing 4 days for entertainment. You had Cobra Kai Season 2, Endgame, and that episode of GOT all in one shot.
I quite fancy some cheese and biscuits with all this talk of Brie.
Really love how they didn't use Captain Marvel as a magical fix-everything person. Sure she came and destroyed the spaceship at the end, which was great, but when it came to fighting Thanos she got her ass kicked just like the rest of them (albeit with the infinity stone, suggesting she's stronger than Hulk)
I do hope it includes Budapest.
I believe it is somewhere on the Uganda/Kenya border area, so possibly on Lake Victoria.
Really love how they didn't use Captain Marvel as a magical fix-everything person. Sure she came and destroyed the spaceship at the end, which was great, but when it came to fighting Thanos she got her ass kicked just like the rest of them (albeit with the infinity stone, suggesting she's stronger than Hulk)
I do hope it includes Budapest.
I believe it is somewhere on the Uganda/Kenya border area, so possibly on Lake Victoria.
So we've gone from 'it's not about race' to 'it'd work ok if you removed all the race stuff and completely rewrote the character's backstory and motivation.' I'd call that 'much' by any reasonable standard. In any case, your obsession with whether it could work totally misses the point, because all that racial stuff - especially Killmonger's backstory and motivation - was deliberately inserted into the movie because that's what the writers wanted to write about. Killmonger without all that is just a generic villain that fails to tell the story the writers were trying to tell.
It's blindingly obvious that they're nothing of the sort. In fact I only even mentioned context because I've been round this particular merry go round before and it's my experience that everyone's 'justification' for how what she said is terribly wrong is always based on ridiculously blatant misinterpretations and, usually, completely rewritten ideas of what the context of her statement was. Because her actual statement is completely benign (and yes, still would be even if she were talking about women or whatever other group you want), and the only way to make it sound bad is to invent nonsense about what it 'really' means. See below.
Ding ding ding! Case in point, blatantly ridiculous misinterpretation of Brie's statement. She never once said anything to imply that the 40 year old white dude shouldn't have the right to critique AWIT. What she said was that she personally wanted the option to hear the professional opinion of someone more likely to understand the context.
Brie didn’t say that white men shouldn’t review movies, that’s absurd. Just that a reviewer who is in the demographic that it was made for may connect to it better. Because of that we should hear more voices when it comes to reviews. More, not less. Adding more voices does not take away from anyone.
Which is exactly the problem with her statement. If you want an objective opinion about a movie's merits demographics shouldn't enter into I at allt. Calling for demographic-based criticism of any movie is like stacking the deck.
She wants more diversity in the critic pool? Fine, but there are better ways to call for it than to devalue one demographic's opinion in favor of another, which is what she did with her statement.
No film review is objective, that’s the point of the review to know how a movie made them feel. There is no such thing as an objective review. If you want objective, read a press release.
And she was devaluing no one.
I agree, she was the one drawing a divisive comparison. So unnecessary we all have a right to an opinion and it was strange she even brought "him" up if she doesn't want to take it on board.
People are reaching so hard to vilify Brie Larson that even Reed Richards would think they were stretching.
If you don’t have a real problem, invent one and act oppressed because no one takes it seriously.
I consider the “FTFY quote” thing a board specific rhetorical device which basically is shorthand for “here is what I think you are really saying between the lines”.
If the changed quote still appears as a believable quote to you instead of the intended Persiflage which is clearly indicated in the corresponding comment below, then maybe that should make you think.
If someone takes what is in the quote box (attributed to another poster) and changes it with that poster's name still attached to a 'quote' then it is clearly a misrepresentation. Get real!
