Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread

[TREK_GOD_1]

I’ve never gotten into the comics and one of the reasons is it’s hard for me to be invested in the results of a story I know will just get reversed at the earliest convenience.

I would lose a lot of interest in MCU if I felt there were no consequences and whatever happens gets reversed the moment it becomes inconvenient. If they are going to reverse a death they better at least earn and justify it more then “Oh he’s magically alive because we didn’t feel like him being dead anymore”.

…..and that has been one of the biggest criticisms of comic books over the past 20+ years; they have no value when once important, character defining deaths are erased because a publisher (or hack writer) thinks a character was too popular to leave in the ground, or they need another "shock" gimmick. The same thing would happen to the MCU if Black Widow or Stark retuned to life.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

I could never get into Star Trek.
Spock dies, and it's erased in the next movie. Yar dies, she's back as her daughter.
This is why cop and lawyer shows are the greatest form of entertainment.

 

[Set Harth]

Spock dies, and it's erased in the next movie.

At least the second one took.

they have no value when once important, character defining deaths are erased because a publisher (or hack writer) thinks a character was too popular to leave in the ground, or they need another "shock" gimmick.

Generally I agree... on the other hand, bringing back Bucky gave us TWS.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

And SHIELD has done some amazing stuff, all because they brought back Coulson.

 

[Turtletrekker]

And SHIELD has done some amazing stuff, all because they brought back Coulson.

And Coulson is really the only real resurrection the MCU has seen. Bucky's "resurrection" is built into his story, and you can't count it as a reversed death if it's reversed in the same story, ala Fury in Winter Soldier or Loki in Thor and the Dark World.

Quicksilver, Yondu, the Warriors Three, Natasha, Tony Stark. I don't see any of those being reversed. I'll wait to find out exactly what it is they're doing with Loki and the Vision before I pass judgment on it.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Also Heimdall. Everyone forgets poor Heimdall.

 

[Mrs. Silvercrest]

I wish there had been a moment when Hulk/Banner did his snap, and he could have seen Nat. Like Thanos saw Gamora.

 

[Mrs. Silvercrest]

Also Heimdall. Everyone forgets poor Heimdall.

I did not forget him at least he got to do one last cool thing and save Hulk and warn Earth.

 

[Set Harth]

Bucky's "resurrection" is built into his story, and you can't count it as a reversed death if it's reversed in the same story, ala Fury in Winter Soldier or Loki in Thor and the Dark World.

I'm talking about what happened in the comics. When I was a kid Bucky was dead, dead, dead.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm talking about what happened in the comics. When I was a kid Bucky was dead, dead, dead.

Fair enough. For what it's worth, Bucky's return is one of the few comic book resurrections that actually really works. Certainly much better than any of Jean Grey's resurrections have.

 

[theenglish]

I'm talking about what happened in the comics. When I was a kid Bucky was dead, dead, dead.

As dead as Jason Todd.

 

[Gavin70]

As dead as Jason Todd.

And as Barry Allen.

I suspect that resurrections for Tony and Natasha are unlikely, as it seems the MCU is looking to move forward in different directions. However, being a comic book universe, if a future writer/director wants to do a story with one of them, and if the actor is interested in appearing (for a fee that Marvel is willing to pay) then a resurrection will occur, whether we like it or not. Those are two fairly big ifs though.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The kid by himself at the funeral, in the middle of the hall of heroes (grieving) moment. It's the same actor as the kid from Iron man 3 who Tony was chilling with while pretending to be dead, so it might have been that kid, and imdb lists Ty Simpkins as Harley Keener, but...

Maybe he's Teenage Tony Stark, brought to the "present" by Old Captain America, when he was dropping off the stones?

Or he's Nathaniel "Iron Lad" Richards? Which brings in Kang, Dr Doom, and the Fantastic Four. You could even get Chris Evans to come back and play an old as dirt Human Torch.

 

[Reverend]

Anyone that thinks the MCU movies are being held to the same narrative standard as comic books probably hasn't read a comic book in like 20 years.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The moment we've all been waiting for is finally here:

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[Gaith]

^ Ugh, I am beyond sick of their stupid Batman/Superman cameos and cafe hangout endings. Stuffing Batman into their every last video hasn't been funny or cute in years.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Home digital release on July 30th with Blu-ray release on August 13th.

https://mcuexchange.com/avengers-en...A6FGeRo78pRM64b2FPjouMp62fotYWVxxsm8nntLKqZq4

 

[The Nth Doctor]

^ Ugh, I am beyond sick of their stupid Batman/Superman cameos and cafe hangout endings. Stuffing Batman into their every last video hasn't been funny or cute in years.

To each their own. I still find it funny.

 

[Turtletrekker]

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[The Nth Doctor]

Brilliant.

Is it bad that I wish this was in the actual film?