• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Attack of the Clones gets the RLM tratment at last!

He can be a bullshitter and takes things out of context through editing: for the example in his (otherwise solid) review of ST: Nemesis he embellishes Captain Janeway's questionable actions, like making a pact with the Borg to defeat Species 8472, despite the fact Species 8472 were clearly the greater evil that attacked Janeway's crew first, and used a clip from a historical propagandist reconstruction ("Living Witness") where the fake Captain Janeway shoots hostages.

A minor example, but something that demonstrates that you cannot take RLM's points and opinions entirely at face value. But Attack of the Clones was the weakest Star Wars movie and RLM's grillings of Insurrection and Nemesis were 90% spot on, however I don't put as much stock into him as sfdebris and the Nostalgia Critic, and his humour can get very grating.
 
I noticed it in both films, though it helped that I was so familiar with the soundtrack albums before seeing the films in the theatre. I was just disputing the claim that the last reel of AOTC was scored entirely with reused music.
 
Hmm, fascinating. Part 1 of the review has now been taken down by Youtube with this message: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Cartoon Network, Inc.."

??? :cardie:

Only part 1 is taken down, the rest are up. Of course, some people are already uploading other copies.

Is this a mistake by Youtube (I cannot recall any cartoon content) - Or are they simlpy trying to protect the "Star Wars" brand? (Since they air "Clone Wars") It would seem questionable, since they do not own the prequel films...
 
Hmm, fascinating. Part 1 of the review has now been taken down by Youtube with this message: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Cartoon Network, Inc.."

??? :cardie:

Only part 1 is taken down, the rest are up. Of course, some people are already uploading other copies.

Is this a mistake by Youtube (I cannot recall any cartoon content) - Or are they simlpy trying to protect the "Star Wars" brand? (Since they air "Clone Wars") It would seem questionable, since they do not own the prequel films...

Lucas must be behind it! :klingon:

He'll find it much far harder to suppress and censor in the modern Internet era than he did back when he disappeared The Star Wars Christmas Special! :scream:
 
Can we talk more about the Yoda theme appearing during the Geonosis factory sequence?

Probably to bring it more in line with Empire, since Lucas uses Yoda's theme when Luke has that brief shoot out with Boba Fett in which he accomplishes . . . absolutely nothing save to have an action seen. Much like the Geonosis scene in Clones! :p
 
Hmm, fascinating. Part 1 of the review has now been taken down by Youtube with this message: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Cartoon Network, Inc.."

??? :cardie:

Only part 1 is taken down, the rest are up. Of course, some people are already uploading other copies.

Is this a mistake by Youtube (I cannot recall any cartoon content) - Or are they simlpy trying to protect the "Star Wars" brand? (Since they air "Clone Wars") It would seem questionable, since they do not own the prequel films...

Well, someone else loaded it up on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MYAwEUal7M
 
Maybe John Williams was daunted by the task of making cose to 6 hours or whtever of music.

But yeah, Samuel Walters I'd love to hear about it because I'm one of those that knows close to nothing about music (other than I know I like this or that kind of thing) but would be open to hearing the flaws in the prequel trilogy's score.
I'll start by saying that, for me at least, the score of a film is something I truly enjoy and pay attention to, but by no means am I an expert in music or composition -- I'm just an enthusiast. Also, I actually like the Prequel trilogy (warts and all), but the score for AOTC remains one of my biggest disappointments.

Part of the issue with the score to Attack of the Clones is probably from Williams himself. That year he also had film scores to Chamber of Secrets, Minority Report, and Catch Me If You Can. I'm guessing that, purely because of workload, AOTC wasn't at the same level as either TPM or ROTS. But, I suspect, the score would be much, much better if it wasn't for the way Lucas made the film.

The real problem is that Lucas didn't actually have a completed film until long after Williams composed and recorded the score. Simply put, Williams didn't have a full film to work with, which is probably why the score is bland -- at least by Star Wars standards. And, I think this is why so much tracked (re-used) music is in the film.

In any case, the entire Battle of Geonosis, from the moment Mace Windu appears up to the lightsaber duel between Dooku and Anakin and Obi-Wan, uses music that was recorded for The Phantom Menace. You'll hear clips from the Battle of Naboo, and even the opening scene when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are battling droids on the Trade Federation ship. I still don't know why they didn't have Williams at least record some source music that they could have used for the battle.

I also think there was a missed opportunity to make use of the Stormtrooper Theme from A New Hope. It's the music you hear on the Death Star and was replaced by the Imperial March in Empire. Making use of that theme (giving it a slightly different variation, say) for the clones would have been a masterstroke. And would have given Williams a pair of themes to utilize for source music for the Geonosis battle (heck, even the bloody Ewoks have their own theme). But I honestly don't think the powers-that-be were thinking about musical themes for this movie.

What's even more tragic is that a bit of what Williams did score doesn't even end up in the film. There's a whole segment from the Arena (when Anakin, Padme and Obi-Wan are fighting the monsters) that isn't used (inexplicably it does show up in ROTS, though). And there was a piece for the droid foundry that wasn't used (or barely used) because Lucas re-edited the sequence.

Listening to sound and film editor Ben Burtt's commentaries and interviews, I think part of the blame can be placed on him and his love of sound effects and editing -- I think his efforts marginalized Williams' work.
 
Hmm, fascinating. Part 1 of the review has now been taken down by Youtube with this message: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Cartoon Network, Inc.."

??? :cardie:

Only part 1 is taken down, the rest are up. Of course, some people are already uploading other copies.

Is this a mistake by Youtube (I cannot recall any cartoon content) - Or are they simlpy trying to protect the "Star Wars" brand? (Since they air "Clone Wars") It would seem questionable, since they do not own the prequel films...

The reviews and any video content would protected from copyrights under "fair use" since the videos are reviews.
 
I love the work of RLM. I can understand how the Plinkett character is of great annoyance, but I personally love it. It's just one of those things which you either take or leave.

As brilliant as it was, I was surprised by one thing: while it was mentioned briefly, I was disappointed that the Anakin Skywalker revenge/massacre scene was never discussed in detail. When I saw this when I first came out, as a 16 year old, the scene had me raising an eyebrow and turning to my friend in utter confusion. No matter how ruthless Darth Vader was depicted in the original trilogy, never was his on screen portrayal as blatantly macabre and disturbing as this. Honestly, I could have devoted a 10 minute chapter to this topic.

As Plinkett stated many times, this is a film aimed at children. I actually believe it is a film aimed more at a wide age group but with children strongly in mind. It just came accross as a little strong for an action/sci-fi/adventure the whole family could enjoy.

I suppose I just perceived that particular scene as one which was intended as being crucial to the development of Anakin's descent to the dark side. Given that Plinkett was unhappy with the lack of detail and back story to the characters, i'm just surprised it was overlooked. It's not a complaint as such, just an observation. But, given that the bulk of his corruption takes place erroneously in the third film, perhaps this is something Plinkett will discuss then.
 
This copyright claim is BS. Sure, I found a clone video or so, but it really is BS. I think CN or Fox should be fined excessively for a false claim that forced the video to be removed. It's fair use.
 
Actually, the Act in questions allows them to use Copyright protected footage for the purposes of critique and review. There's clearly no case.
 
This copyright claim is BS. Sure, I found a clone video or so, but it really is BS. I think CN or Fox should be fined excessively for a false claim that forced the video to be removed. It's fair use.
According to the Thunderfoot/Venomfangx crap that went on back in 08, RLM could sue Cartoon Network for claiming copyright on material which is covered under fair use. Of course, he'd be insane to try, he's better off just filing a counter-claim and waiting the few days it will take for the video to come back.

Good review. I normally enjoy the sick murderer side-story, but I think too much time was devoted this time around, it was better back in the TNG days when it was a humorous aside.
 
Does the RLM guy have a blog or anything? If he does I'm sure he's posted about the Cartoon Network BS copyright claim. I'd like to know what exactly Cartoon Network claimed and Youtube's justification. I'm sure there have been a few emails exchanged.

Edit: It seems to be back up and not edited to remove whatever the F Cartoon Network claimed was copyrighted.
 
Hmm, fascinating. Part 1 of the review has now been taken down by Youtube with this message: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by The Cartoon Network, Inc.."

??? :cardie:

Only part 1 is taken down, the rest are up. Of course, some people are already uploading other copies.

Is this a mistake by Youtube (I cannot recall any cartoon content) - Or are they simlpy trying to protect the "Star Wars" brand? (Since they air "Clone Wars") It would seem questionable, since they do not own the prequel films...

The reviews and any video content would protected from copyrights under "fair use" since the videos are reviews.

Not necessarily.
 
As brilliant as it was, I was surprised by one thing: while it was mentioned briefly, I was disappointed that the Anakin Skywalker revenge/massacre scene was never discussed in detail. When I saw this when I first came out, as a 16 year old, the scene had me raising an eyebrow and turning to my friend in utter confusion. No matter how ruthless Darth Vader was depicted in the original trilogy, never was his on screen portrayal as blatantly macabre and disturbing as this. Honestly, I could have devoted a 10 minute chapter to this topic.

Hmmm...true, but Vader did
1. choke people to death while others watched
2. stand there watching as Tarkin used the Death Star to murder probably millions of men, women, children ( and possibly puppy dogs) on Alderaan.
3. Toss a senior citizen down a deep shaft. ;)

I wouldn't say it was out of character. It was hilarious that Padme hears all that and dismisses it as if he broke a set of china dishes because he was mad.
 
I've been saying that for however many years. Wondering how Anikan's acting like a spoiled brat, whining, acting like a creepy stalker and murdering women and children scored him Padme.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top