Ashes to ashes

[hux]

couple of queries here

1 - how did Lindsey Ballard catch up with Voyager - she'd be shot into space then re-animated then lived on a planet for 2 years then left the planet in search of Voyager and in the space of 6 months had caught up with them - so to recap, Voyager had a 2 and a half years head start yet she still caught up with them - what the hell was Voyager doing that slowed them down so much (in course oblivion, the copies were also ahead of Voyager!!)

2 - this one applies to a lot of trek - does it make sense for dead bodies to be shot into space - regarding the prime directive, what if a body landed on a planet with a pre-warp civilisation - wouldn't this contaminate their culture (imagine, if in the 15th century, a dead member of species 8472 crash landed in london - this would surely have influenced the culture, religion, philosophy of human society immensely)

any thoughts (especially about the 2nd as i've always wondered about this in relation to the prime directive)

 

[exodus]

I never figured Voyager travelled in a straight line.
Plus, Voyager didn't turn around to go back for Seven in "Dark Frontier"?
They went off course and stayed in a region of space in "The Killing Game", "Concerning Flight", "Prey", "Omega Directive", "Demon", "In the Flesh", "Counterpoint", "Thirty Days", etc. So in those eps and a few others, Voyager didn't make much new ground traveling. They spent it either in orbit or going in circles in that region(s) of space. That is also why "Course: Oblivion" copies were ahead of them IMO.

As for question number 2, think ROSWELL, "Future's End" or "Little Green Men".
The government of the planet, pre-warp or not would hide the facts and evidence of alien contact.
They do it to not start mass scale panic of the planets population.
However, judging from "Eminations" such a scenario was never taken into consideration because it's prabably never happened before.
I myself would assume the body would burn up entering a planets atmosphere.

 

[T'Girl]

Voyager wasn't following a bee line course back to the alpha quadrant, they were zig-zagging around investigating interesting things off their base course, this would have slowed them down.

In terms of tracking Voyager, they were leaving a clear trail of both do-gooding and destruction behind themselves. It wouldn't be that hard to figure out where the ship had been.

So as long as you had a fast enough ship, catching Voyager - no problem.

 

[Captrek]

does it make sense for dead bodies to be shot into space - regarding the prime directive, what if a body landed on a planet with a pre-warp civilisation

Realistically, if a body is shot into interstellar space, it is never going to approach an inhabited planet. Space is huge.

Then again, this is Trek, so “Realistically” probably doesn’t apply.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The BIG query should be, how could a species possibly succeed in perpetuating itself via procreation which involves nothing but reanimating dead aliens? How could they find ENOUGH of them?

 

[froot]

The BIG query should be, how could a species possibly succeed in perpetuating itself via procreation which involves nothing but reanimating dead aliens? How could they find ENOUGH of them?

...maybe they took to mass killing to get enough? :O

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Who knows, they just might do exactly that.

 

[Captrek]

The BIG query should be, how could a species possibly succeed in perpetuating itself via procreation which involves nothing but reanimating dead aliens? How could they find ENOUGH of them?

...maybe they took to mass killing to get enough? :O

Better question is how the Ocampa perpetuate the species. Elogium and Before and After suggest that each female can only have one child.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Maybe the Ocampa men have babies, too.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Perhaps multiple births are possible in Ocampan women?

 

[T'Girl]

The BIG query should be, how could a species possibly succeed in perpetuating itself via procreation which involves nothing but reanimating dead aliens? How could they find ENOUGH of them?

...maybe they took to mass killing to get enough? :O

Or they help to cause tension and wars between warp capable species, then hover around the edges of battles. When everything dies downs, they move in to look for intact corpses.

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In the case of Ocampan women. Perhaps they only typically have one pregnancy, but twins, triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets, sextuplets and septuplets are far more common than single baby births.

In other words, Ocampan women have litters.

 

[Captrek]

In the case of Ocampan women. Perhaps they only typically have one pregnancy, but twins, triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets, sextuplets and septuplets are far more common than single baby births.

In Elogium, Kes says, “If I’m ever going to have a child, it has to be now.” If Ocampan pregnancies generally resulted in multiple-child litters, it seems unlikely she would phrase it that way rather than “If I’m ever going to have children.”

Furthermore, in Before and After, she in fact has only one child, although admittedly that doesn’t rule out the possibility that she’s an exceptional case in that regard.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Or they help to cause tension and wars between warp capable species, then hover around the edges of battles. When everything dies downs, they move in to look for intact corpses.

---------------

In the case of Ocampan women. Perhaps they only typically have one pregnancy, but twins, triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets, sextuplets and septuplets are far more common than single baby births.

In other words, Ocampan women have litters.

I find both of those extremely likely.

There's definitely more to the Kobali than we've been told. Any species that must have a ready supply of alien corpses to populate itself must have a way of...generating those corpses.

As for the Ocampa, the multiple-birth option is the only way *they* could survive as a species.

 

[Guy Gardener]

My darker thoughts have contemplated that this might be that/another slight which the Nacene can never forgive themselves for, that some (accidental) modification made to Ocampans made them almost as barren as their homeworld, that each generation is half the size as the last.

Gotta wonder if janeway was too concerned about this technology falling into the hands of the Borg? So worried that she might consider wiping them out? Or at least this would be the sort of apocalypse Kathryn would leap back in time to divert. Imagine if the Borg didn't have to be concerned about keeping their assimilatees "living" while they're being converted.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Imagine if the Borg didn't have to be concerned about keeping their assimilatees "living" while they're being converted.

Are you suggesting that if the Borg could have got ahold of Kobali technology, they would have been able to reanimate dead people and then assimilate them? That would suck. Fortunately it won't be a problem...

Spoiler: Destiny

...since the Borg no longer exist.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You've never seen a Zombie movie?

Some idiot scientist always keeps a sample that WILL escape.

 

[exodus]

The BIG query should be, how could a species possibly succeed in perpetuating itself via procreation which involves nothing but reanimating dead aliens? How could they find ENOUGH of them?

One word: Vidiians.

 

[exodus]

In the case of Ocampan women. Perhaps they only typically have one pregnancy, but twins, triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets, sextuplets and septuplets are far more common than single baby births.

In Elogium, Kes says, “If I’m ever going to have a child, it has to be now.” If Ocampan pregnancies generally resulted in multiple-child litters, it seems unlikely she would phrase it that way rather than “If I’m ever going to have children.”

Furthermore, in Before and After, she in fact has only one child, although admittedly that doesn’t rule out the possibility that she’s an exceptional case in that regard.

Add to that, Kes is an only child herself.

 

[Guy Gardener]

She could be a princess, in so that no one else is worth mentioning or her siblings could have been complete (*&^s which is why she ran away in the first place.

 

[exodus]

She could be a princess, in so that no one else is worth mentioning or her siblings could have been complete (*&^s which is why she ran away in the first place.

Maybe it was Kes that was, which is why they didn't exactly send out a search party to look for her after she went missing. She was considered an "upstart".