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Spoilers Arrow Season 7

Only speaking about Flash I'm already interested in Cicada even though it was only a few episodes. Cicada is mysterious and scary. Longbow Hunters are forgettable.

It's not like every season has to advance at the exact same pace. I wasn't proposing a one-to-one comparison, just saying that it's normal for a season to take time to flesh out its villains. We'll probably learn more about the LH in upcoming episodes. Now that Silencer is captive, that's a prime opportunity for exposition and character insight. Maybe what we learn about them over the next week or two may make them more interesting.
 
No, they're just a prominent criminal group that hasn't previously operated in Star(ling) City. I don't see anything in the show to indicate that they're anything more than that. It's not a linear hierarchy because they're a separate thing -- they're organized crime rather than assassins or a mystical cabal or whatever.

Got to disagree here. The Arrowverse wiki points out that this is a group once considered a 'myth' which makes them more than the average criminal organization, which I would take more along the lines of the various corporate malefactors, crime families and The Quadrant that we've seen on Arrow. This quote is taken from the wiki:

According to Anatoly Knyazev, the Longbow Hunters were perceived as a myth. They consisted of only three assassins, but still stroke fear into all who went up against them including the League of Assassins, and were believed to have died out by the 1950s.[1]

https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Longbow_Hunters_(group)

Further, there was some inspiration here taken from the Jeff Lemire/Andrea Sorrentino New 52 Green Arrow run-which I highly recommend-with his "Outsiders War" arc. I wish the show had just adapted that instead because it created a mythology for Green Arrow that might have been neat to see realized in live-action.
 
That kind of makes it worse. So all this time when you had Wilson and the Mirikuru army, the league of assassins, and Damian Darkh, you had this super secret group that was supposed to be more powerful (or legendary) than those other groups. What makes them legendary? Why should I care about these people who so far are only there to do Diaz bidding? I think that's the worst thing about having Diaz back for another year. We know his story, yet he won't go away. Of everything we have seen in this show, it's a big bully that gets the extra season treatment? Now if Diaz were gone and we got introduced to these Hunter people and that story starts to build into legendary status, I could maybe get behind it. Right now, I watch this series, and they might as well change the name of the series from Arrow to Prison Break because it doesn't feel like Arrow at all.

I like Diaz. I like the actor playing him, however the show hasn't justified why he's this uber threat. Prometheus, Dark Archer, Deathstroke, Ra's Al Ghul, Talia, Damian Darkh, if they were as prominent big bads for two seasons like Diaz is now, I could get that. The character isn't as compelling as some of the previous big bads. It's unfortunate that the show wasted China White, Count Vertigo, Murmur, The Queen, Ravager, Komodo, Drakon, Deathbolt, Royal Flush Gang, Edward Fyers, Wintergreen, Kovar, Baron Reiter (who should've been Benatu Eshu as a nice tie-in to the Vixen cartoon), Al-Owal (the actor would've made for a better Ra's Al Ghul than we got), Ruve Adams, Cyrus Broderick, The Quadrant, Discord, Calculator, Clock King, Onyx Adams, to a lesser extent Brother Blood, Nyssa, Grant Wilson, Cupid, and Brick, and decided to hang their hat on Diaz instead. Even Tobias Church (who should've been Brick) was more interesting to watch than Diaz has been. It was a shame they killed him off so quickly. The number of good to great villains they've misused is astounding over the last seven years. Some of these were season or multiple season long challenges.

They went for the misdirection in Season 6 with spending so much time building up Cayden James (who could've been an awesome Calculator, Clock King, or Cluemaster), but when the switch happened, I just didn't find it that believable that Diaz was the real threat all along. And it took too long for him to get his origin episode-which I did like. I wish he had been a member or leader of the Quadrant all along to solidify him as a real threat to Star City and Team Arrow.
 
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It's normal for a show these days to start its villains off as mysterious and only gradually reveal more about them.

True, that's why first impressions are important, and Longbow Hunters are kinda uneven, last week they took out a train full of highly trained ARGUS soldiers, and this week they were beaten by an FBI desk jockey with a stick. :shrug:

But their main problem is that they're shown as Diaz's henchmen and Diaz came out of last season kinda lame himself, so by the property of transitive villany they start of lame by default and now all four of them have an uphill battle to establish their cool factor. Silencer is a bit ahead in that department by virtue of a cool gimmick power, the rest are still struggling.
 
Ok episode. Don't understand all the Felicity hate really. What's going on with her isn't very interesting, sure. But calling it annoying and grinding..... I dunno.

No flashforwards, that kinda sucked. And the Ollie in prison bits..... Going a bit too fast all at once. Maybe that's me. I dunno.
 
With one episode, Arrow completely turned it's season around. I'm very interested in what is going on now, and hey, we actually did get some arrow scenes. Every storyline was really good tonight, especially the stuff with Oliver in prison and the future, which we got a whole lot more then I was expecting for a single episode. That was one of the best episodes I've seen since at least season 5. Really excited to see where we go from here.
 
I'm surprised by the dystopian future where the anti-vigilante laws are apparently still in effect and have been taken to extremes. I mean, I've been assuming that this was the one grounded show that wouldn't use time travel, so the future it showed would be the future no matter what. Now it's looking more like a future they have to prevent somehow. I wondered if maybe the twist was that it's in Earth-2's future (given what Laurel-2 revealed about Felicity-2's tech empire), though that shouldn't work, since Earth-2's Oliver died in the shipwreck and Robert Queen became Green Arrow, so William would never have been born.
 
The Arrowverse is really pushing hard the Beebo product placement.

I'm not sure "product placement" is the word, because there are, inexplicably, no actual Beebo dolls for sale as far as I can find online, except for some homemade ones on Etsy. There are some t-shirts, but that's about it. If anything, Warner Bros. and DC are missing a golden merchandising opportunity here.

I think they're just putting Beebo everywhere because the fans (and creators) love Beebo. It's a running gag that's taken on a life of its own.
 
I'm glad the prison stuff moved beyond the standard prison movie fare of gangs, favours, punchings and shankings, and with just one appearance the prison shrink is already a better villain than Diaz so that's moving in an interesting direction. That scrapped Green Arrow movie had a similar plot of Ollie landing in jail and uncovering the mistreatment of prisoners, which seems like a worthy topic to explore, so this could turn out good.

The flashforwards are intriguing as well. I was hoping Zoe would be a vigilante in the future after the first episode, glad to see that came true. I very much doubt Felicity is actually dead. Also, it's supposed to be 20 years in the future, right? Because all of them, Roy, Dinah, William and Zoe look wee bit too youngish for that...

I know that the new Green Arrow is probably not Roy, but he did a flip there and that is Roy's signature move. ;)
That's got misdirect written all over it however, and as they were also very heavily stressing the male pronouns when referring to the new GA I'm guessing that the new Green Arrow is actually a woman. As for who, haven't a clue.
 
I'm glad the prison stuff moved beyond the standard prison movie fare of gangs, favours, punchings and shankings, and with just one appearance the prison shrink is already a better villain than Diaz so that's moving in an interesting direction. That scrapped Green Arrow movie had a similar plot of Ollie landing in jail and uncovering the mistreatment of prisoners, which seems like a worthy topic to explore, so this could turn out good.

did wonder if the prison shrink was on diaz's payroll but it does seem a more convoluted way to destroy Oliver when you could get him shanked.
 
This is for UK viewers, am I the only one who saw that instead of Arrow last night, they showed an episode of NCIS LA?
 
I'm surprised by the dystopian future where the anti-vigilante laws are apparently still in effect and have been taken to extremes. I mean, I've been assuming that this was the one grounded show that wouldn't use time travel, so the future it showed would be the future no matter what. Now it's looking more like a future they have to prevent somehow. I wondered if maybe the twist was that it's in Earth-2's future (given what Laurel-2 revealed about Felicity-2's tech empire), though that shouldn't work, since Earth-2's Oliver died in the shipwreck and Robert Queen became Green Arrow, so William would never have been born.

I think William was conceived before the boat trip, when Ollie was a rich playboy.
 
I think William was conceived before the boat trip, when Ollie was a rich playboy.

Oh, that's right -- yeah, he had to be, given his age. Still, we saw Robert Queen's grave on future Lian Yu, and William's references to Oliver and Felicity are consistent with Earth-1.
 
I know that the new Green Arrow is probably not Roy, but he did a flip there and that is Roy's signature move. ;)
That's got misdirect written all over it however, and as they were also very heavily stressing the male pronouns when referring to the new GA I'm guessing that the new Green Arrow is actually a woman. As for who, haven't a clue.

There are spoilers out there, but I've stayed clear so far. Even so, I agree it seems very likely to be a woman, because of the height if nothing else.
 
Could Felicity be the new Green Arrow? I don't think they have shared a scene together and not sure if her location and where the Green Arrow is, has ever conflicted in making it not possible but I could see them doing this. Heck I will even add the bonus possibility that it is Felicity from the future. I know she was a superhero in one of those future timelines though I can't recall which Arrowverse show it was. Maybe "The Flash."

Jason
 
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