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Spoilers Arrow - Season 5

Stephen Amell had one movie role that I know of (TMNT)...any luck his star is rising, and he has other opportunities?


Now why did Smallville end again (other than they were 6 years into Metropolis)? It seemed to be having a revival for a while.
 
I don't see them letting go of such a popular property like Arrow so quickly unless the ratings really plummet or something.

The ratings for Arrow aren't that important either, even if they do plummet WB has incentive enough with the Netflix deal and home video sales and other merchandise to keep it going.
But they may wanna expand the universe with another series in the future, and we're already at 4(or 5), eventually one of the old ones will have to go...
 
Very true about CW, and I actually like that, though Arrow may be a little different in that we have a shared universe and they can always focus on another hero. There's going to be a 5th show next year about Black Lightning.

And Arrow ending doesn't mean we have seen the last of Oliver because of that same shared universe.

True. I do find myself hoping that if Arrow ends, Felicity will migrate to another show. Or maybe she and some of the others will get the same kind of multi-show contracts that Katie Cassidy, Wentworth Miller, and John Barrowman have this year.
 
I rewatched the scene where Oliver confesses and that might be my favorite scene in the series. Adrian broke him, and that's why he's a better villain than Slade.

This was such a spectacular episode all the way around.
 
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I rewatched the scene where Oliver confesses and that might be my favorite scene in the series. Adrian broke him, and that's why he's a better villain than Slade.

This was such a spectacular episode all the way around.

Yep, season 5 is the gift that keeps giving.
 
Yep, season 5 is the gift that keeps giving.
I just hope they stick the landing. Season 5 has the very real possibility of being the shows best season but it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

So far I don't doubt the writers. They've done a great job bouncing back from S4
 
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I just hope they stick the landing. Season 5 has the very real possibility of being the shows best season but it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Yep, they need to avoid what I will call "Flash season 2 syndrome" by having a kick ass story that was let down by an uneven ending ;)
 
Crazy good episode... very dark.. darker than I've ever seen Arrow get. ALMOST had to stop watching until later, wife and kid were in the room and had to distract themselves from the Bratva tattoo burning scene.

Prometheus/Adrian Chase is so far the most intense villain Ollie has gone against.. this guy is literally 10 steps ahead of you and inside your own mind... he's had half a decade to prepare and learn you.

I was surprised, then relieved, then bamboozled with the beaten Evelyn turns dead Evelyn turned "I told you he'd break" Evelyn. Wow.. didn't see that coming.

I called it early on though... I had a feeling the "secret confession" was that Oliver secretly enjoyed killing... that his run as The Hood, The Arrow, and The Green Arrow were all a masquerade to subconsciously cover for his enjoyment of inflicting pain and death.
 
I had a feeling the "secret confession" was that Oliver secretly enjoyed killing... that his run as The Hood, The Arrow, and The Green Arrow were all a masquerade to subconsciously cover for his enjoyment of inflicting pain and death.

I don't think that's what's actually behind Oliver's "confession", though that is how Prometheus reads it. However, he's wrong about Oliver.

Oliver's "liking it" doesn't come from the enjoyment of the act of killing, but the satisfaction of bringing justice. It's just that by the time he gets to Star(ling) city he spent five years with Slade, Waller and the Bratva in a very cutthroat environment, where killing was the necessary way and after five years of that the only way he saw to bring justice to the city.

Prometheus thinks he's using the hero act to mask his killing act, but the truth is opposite, Oliver always wanted to be the hero, but the circumstances that forged him also made him into a killer.

But we know that's not what he really wants or enjoys, in fact he already stopped out of the desire to be a proper hero. He had a chance to kill Darhk last season, he spared him, turned him over to the system as good heroes do, and the result of that decision was thousands of dead, Laurel among them, a nuked town and almost a total annihilation of the entire world.

That's where his struggle comes form. He's torn between being the proper no killing hero on the one hand, and doing everything he can(including killing) to protect the people, the latter option being very difficult to ignore or unlearn because it was the only way in the past, it worked, and Oliver never stopped to question it.

Now he is questioning it, and himself, and I think he's going to realize who he is, who he wants to be (a hero, not a killer), and subsequently finally learn to completely disassociate killing from justice.

At least I think that's where they should be going with this...
 
I don't think that's what's actually behind Oliver's "confession", though that is how Prometheus reads it. However, he's wrong about Oliver.

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Oliver's "liking it" doesn't come from the enjoyment of the act of killing, but the satisfaction of bringing justice. It's just that by the time he gets to Star(ling) city he spent five years with Slade, Waller and the Bratva in a very cutthroat environment, where killing was the necessary way and after five years of that the only way he saw to bring justice to the city.

At least I think that's where they should be going with this...

I think that IS Ollie's confession... and is at least partially true. Look at how he "practiced" on the dead Russian... that's dark, inhuman stuff right there.... something aint right with Oliver in that sense. Although I think you are also correct in that seeing it from the point of view of killing being necessary to bring justice is what will give Ollie back his mojo and want to keep doing this.

It's going to be an Obiwan sort of "from a certain point of view..." thing. Oliver just needs to take that truth, that he takes pleasure in killing, even for the right reasons, and twist that in his own mind to see that he has the ability to "turn that off" so to speak; that he can keep killing on the table as an option without it being outright murder (as there IS a difference between killing and murder).

Nonetheless, the "hero" that kills, particularly the psyche of The Green Arrow as portrayed here is a very fascinating exploration into the mind of a tortured, yet honorable soul. Interesting psychoanalytical discussions about some so-called heroes could be an entire college degree program. If you need another example, we could look at Batman and all of his incarnations and the terrible deeds he has done in the name of "justice" as well.

I'm not sure if Marvel has this going on as well, but it seems that DC's comic book heroes certainly have a lot of emotional issues that go along with questionable moral and ethical behavior.
 
Felicity finally gets a superhero costume on this coming episode of Legends.

Big deal. Is that the only way a character can become relevant? Acquire powers or skills and a costume?


Perhaps Oliver simply enjoyed many of his kills, whether they were necessary or not. I noticed with some fictional characters that even though killing someone is a necessary act, they still manage to revel in the kill. Oliver might be one of those types. Even his penchant for torture has been criticized in the past. Barry had criticized him in the first major Arrow/Flash crossover. Instead of facing Barry's criticism, Oliver made an excuse for himself.

Why make excuses for Oliver? Because he is the main character? Because he is supposed to be the hero? Even heroes and heroines are humans. And we humans are basically aggressive and violent beings who hide behind a veneer of respectability and "goodness".
 
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Big deal. Is that the only way a character can become relevant? Acquire powers or skills and a costume?

Well, to be fair, I do think it is a result of the Legion of Doom screwing around with reality.. which is probably the only way Felicity would ever become a costumed hero at all.... literally, an Act of God...
 
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