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Spoilers Arrow - Season 5

Well, Arrow is quickly going back into season 4 territory whe it comes to writing quality. There is no reason to make Arrow an enemy of the police. He spent about 4 seasons doing that. But, it wouldn't be Arrow if they didn't revert Oliver back to the same stuff they've been doing every time they evolve the character/character dynamics even a little bit. One step forward, three steps back might as well be the show's motto. I've give it a few episodes, but the show is rapidly losing me, especially with the terrible reveal of who Prometheus is.
 
Yeah, the reveal of Adrian Chase was a bit weird... even moreso, that he just happens to be DA when Oliver is in office. Seems like an amazing coincidence, unless he took over the identity of the real Adrian Chase somehow. I guess we will see tonight how that plays out.
 
This is Star City, where the life expectancy of the Mayor or the DA is 3-4 months, tops, so basically if you show up they'll give you the job. ;)

At this point, they basically live in the Star Trek Mirror universe in which promotion occurs when you kill your superior officer. In fact, I think half the city council must be composed of vigilantes and murderous criminals by now. It's the only way to last long enough to accomplish anything.
 
I finally got caught up today, and it's been a pretty good batch of episodes, with a few negatives.
I'm not real happy with where they took Thea, I've gone back and forth between liking her and not over the course of the series, and the last couple episodes have taken me from liking to not. I will be curious to see how they address what she did going forward.
I'm not quite sure what to make of Chase as Prometheus. It feels a bit random right now, but I'm willing to see where they go with it. I know in the comics he's Vigilante, so I was expecting that to be him and for him to eventually be redeemed and join the team.
The Quinton/Renee pairing has been a lot of fun.
So far Dinah Drake has been a pretty good addition to the team.
 
I like Dinah as Black Canary....but shouldn't she be using Sara's wig too?


Oh -- and what happened again to Sara's canary cry device? Did she ever get it back?
 
5x16...

What a brutal episode. What could Adrian Chase do to Ollie? I was thinking that this is where he loses an arm but they won't go that route.
 
What you wanna bet Helix turns out to be working for Talia? Then again, maybe they're working for Bruce Wayne, considering that they've got pretty much the same cell phone surveillance set up as Batman had in The Dark Knight, but even more so. Okay, that suggestion isn't serious, but the Talia one is. Since we're getting Prometheus outed so early (with 8 episodes left in the season), and since it turns out he was Talia's instrument all along, I suspect that maybe Chase's arc will be wrapped up soon and Talia will take over as the season's Big Bad. There's a symmetry to it -- she was midwife to the creation of Oliver's "something else," and now, five years later, she's trying to destroy it.

I can't believe they let Chase's wife get close to him. It was obvious to me that he was going to kill her.

I wonder how long it'll be before Dinah starts using the Black Canary code name. I noticed she was the only one Oliver referred to without a call sign when they were in the field. At least she should have an interim call sign for comms. Like maybe Fledgling. ("Chick" would be a bad idea for obvious reasons.)

Are we ever going to see Artemis again? She's completely disappeared since she was outed as a traitor. That's an odd thread to just abandon.
 
"If you're not careful, Oliver, one day she [Talia] will be the source of your greatest pain." So it would seem. The very woman who told Ollie to give a name, an identity to the darkness inside of him collaborated with Prometheus to take him down, out of vengeance. My question is, why did she even care that her father Ra's al Ghul was killed when she wasn't very fond of him? Why be mad at Ollie? Nyssa certainly wasn't.

Despite Lexa Doig's unsettling faux British accent, this was a great episode.
 
I think this might be the best episode of Arrow since season 2. Adrian Chase might become my favorite DC berlanti show villain ever because a lot of his actions are reminding me of Slade Wilson. The only difference is the guy playing Chase is deliciously swarmy that it's just really entertaining.

However, I'm starting to get confused by them and it feels like the flashbacks are standing still. I loved The shootout (and I love hockey so that was a cool scene) but I forget what the endgame of that plot is.
 
That was simply amazing....

Arrow season 5 is starting to rival season 2 and at the moment Arrow is the crown jewel of the DCEU TV Franchise. Talia and Prometheus v Arrow, now that's going to be one hell of a showdown though I expect Team Arrow to come in real force so am hoping we get to see Speedy & Arsenal in the fight by the end too. The dynamic between Ollie/Chase is great, the two have some real chemistry and their fight was just brutal, you could just feel the hatred oozing from them both. Arrow/Prometheus reminds me of Batman/Joker, where Joker doesn't want to kill Batman but destroy his humanity because he honestly believes deep down Batman is the same as him.

Hats off, just bloody amazing.

If you don't like Season 5 then you just hate life my friend :shifty: :p
 
Well, the biggest issue I have with the reveal is that Adrian Chase is a different character in the comics--he's Vigilante, who appeared earlier this season. I'm not sure I like going so far off source material for a plot twist. And of course Talia is the mother of Bruce Wayne's son. I wish these writers would get the rights to do a proper Batman series, because I think it would do very well. Arrow proves to me that Batman can be done right on TV.

But I am enjoying Season 5. I enjoy all these shows. I may nitpick on occasion, but I think this writing team is terrific across the board, and I'm glad these shows are on the air.

I'm looking forward to the last batch of episodes.
 
My question is, why did she even care that her father Ra's al Ghul was killed when she wasn't very fond of him? Why be mad at Ollie? Nyssa certainly wasn't.

Maybe she sees it as a matter of family honor, regardless of her feelings for the individual family member that she's obligated to avenge. Nyssa was there; she knew the circumstances that led Oliver to kill Ra's. All Talia knows is that this man she trained used the things she taught him to murder her father, and that makes it doubly a betrayal.


Despite Lexa Doig's unsettling faux British accent, this was a great episode.

She's probably traveled all over the world, so it makes sense that her accent would be kind of a muddle.



However, I'm starting to get confused by them and it feels like the flashbacks are standing still. I loved The shootout (and I love hockey so that was a cool scene) but I forget what the endgame of that plot is.

The endgame of this season's flashbacks is to get Oliver to Season 1, Episode 1, Scene 1. We've seen how he got the Bratva tattoos, we've seen how he became the Hood and resolved to return home, now it's just a matter of wrapping up the Bratva thing and getting Oliver back on that island.


Well, the biggest issue I have with the reveal is that Adrian Chase is a different character in the comics--he's Vigilante, who appeared earlier this season. I'm not sure I like going so far off source material for a plot twist.

Yes, but his name isn't really Adrian Chase, it's Simon Morrison (a nod to the character's creator Grant Morrison). Perhaps Vigilante is the real Adrian Chase. Although there are several other people who have been Vigilante in the comics.

And I think it was a clever idea -- audiences today are so savvy about the comics source material, so it was smart to set people up to expect one thing based on the comics precedent and then surprise us.
 
Yes, but his name isn't really Adrian Chase, it's Simon Morrison (a nod to the character's creator Grant Morrison). Perhaps Vigilante is the real Adrian Chase. Although there are several other people who have been Vigilante in the comics.

And I think it was a clever idea -- audiences today are so savvy about the comics source material, so it was smart to set people up to expect one thing based on the comics precedent and then surprise us.

I was thinking that calling him Simon Morrison was a swerve to preserve the Vigilante character, and am hoping that's the case.
 
I was thinking that calling him Simon Morrison was a swerve to preserve the Vigilante character, and am hoping that's the case.

Give them some credit. It wasn't a "swerve," it was a deliberate misdirect. It's the same move The Flash used last season with "Jay Garrick"/Hunter Zolomon -- introduce one comics character and throw off the audience as to his true identity by having him adopt the name of another comics character as an alias.

Chase's whole story arc throughout the season fits him being Prometheus. He was a character who earned Oliver's trust early on, who got Oliver to listen to his advice and guidance. In their very first meeting, "Chase" told Oliver that the latter had stolen the former's girlfriend, but "It's okay, I don't hold grudges" -- a line that, in retrospect, was no doubt meant as ironic foreshadowing. He initially showed a fierce resentment toward vigilantes, which we were supposed to think was a cover for his identity as the Vigilante, but which can now be seen as a clue to his real resentment toward the Hood/Green Arrow. When "Chase" heard that the media had coined Prometheus the Throwing Star Killer, he remarked that it had a certain flair to it. Plus we learned around the same time that Prometheus had to be someone affiliated with Star City law enforcement, able to steal Oliver's old arrowheads from evidence lockup. Later, "Chase" gave Oliver suggestions that turned out to play into Prometheus's hands, like covering up the Green Arrow's involvement in Malone's death.

Conversely, I always felt that there seemed to be a disconnect between "Chase" and Vigilante. His initial resentment toward vigilantes seemed too sincere to be an act, and it seemed unlikely that he would've warmed up to vigilantism so quickly as to have immediately adopted an even more hardcore vigilante persona. And "Chase" and Vigilante often seemed to be working toward conflicting goals, which made me wonder if maybe there was a split personality involved. I expected "Chase" and Vigilante to be the same person because it's what we were supposed to think, but it never quite felt right to me. And that's because they were never meant to be the same person.
 
Which begs the question , who is Vigilante.
At this point it would be kinda refreshing if he eventually reveals his face and everybody goes "Who the hell is this guy?".
Just have him be a random element with no Connection to Oliver.
 
Give them some credit. It wasn't a "swerve," it was a deliberate misdirect. It's the same move The Flash used last season with "Jay Garrick"/Hunter Zolomon -- introduce one comics character and throw off the audience as to his true identity by having him adopt the name of another comics character as an alias.

The good thing about that is that they managed to really up the game with Jay Garrick. And they cast John Wesley Shipp in the role that he should have had in the first place.

I am hoping that they do the same thing and eventually reveal the Vigilante to be Adrian Chase--someone Prometheus knew and wanted to dishonor by taking his name.

Either that, or just establish Adrian Chase as Vigilante on Supergirl's Earth which also protects the character.

By the way--did they ever reveal who Vigilante is? Curious if I missed it.
 
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