I enjoyed the finale. Solid, better than S3. My big question is what happens to Darhk's daughter? Thea regrettably used her and then once we see her, Darhk and Oliver D & GA are in the streets???
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Used her for what really?
"Um, please don't kill us. WE HAVE YOUR DAUGHTER! Please don't kill us, and you can have her back. HERE! Returned safe and sound. Yup, and now that you have her back, please don't kill us, while we run away."
Thea is an idiot.
You don't give back the entire daughter to win a battle.
You give back pieces of the daughter to win battles until your opponent surrenders the war completely, and they get back what ever is left still attached.
Thea got lucky that Damien is an idiot too.
For all the advantage kidnapping the daughter for 40 seconds (the fist 2 hours didn't count, because no one told Darhk.), and releasing her almost instantly, Thea might as well have just pointed to the foreground and said "OH MY GOD! WHAT THE HELL IS THAT BEHIND YOU!"
"Um, please don't kill us. WE HAVE YOUR DAUGHTER! Please don't kill us, and you can have her back. HERE! Returned safe and sound. Yup, and now that you have her back, please don't kill us, while we run away."
Thea is an idiot.
You don't give back the entire daughter to win a battle.
You give back pieces of the daughter to win battles until your opponent surrenders the war completely, and they get back what ever is left still attached.
Thea got lucky that Damien is an idiot too.
For all the advantage kidnapping the daughter for 40 seconds (the fist 2 hours didn't count, because no one told Darhk.), and releasing her almost instantly, Thea might as well have just pointed to the foreground and said "OH MY GOD! WHAT THE HELL IS THAT BEHIND YOU!"
Man, every season finale this year was disappointing to some degree.
My big problem with this episode (and the previous one) is we set up Darkh having invincible magic powers but then promptly leap to a nuclear armageddon story instead and never see Darkh DO anything. He just sits around in bunkers waiting for missiles to fly. By having two massive issues they end up short-changing both. And then Darkh looses his 10,000 dead people power because... 200 people liked a speech Ollie gave? Hunh? (that speech fell really flat for me, personally)
The other problem is this season went so big with so much, anything after this can only be horribly anti-climactic. If the next season really does start back at the beginning with one dude alone with a bow, I'm going to be bored to tears all over again. The high point for me will always be seeing Arrow, Spartan, Black Canary, and Red Arrow fighting the bad guys as a team with Felicity on Overwatch, against a charming and funny villain with magic powers.
It was impressive how much closure this episode brought though. It felt like a series finale in a lot of ways. It (apparently) brought the flashback storyline to the beginning of the series, it resolved all the stories with no new villains or cliffhangers left over, it left Ollie as Mayor, everybody else went off to live their own lives...
My big problem with this episode (and the previous one) is we set up Darkh having invincible magic powers but then promptly leap to a nuclear armageddon story instead and never see Darkh DO anything. He just sits around in bunkers waiting for missiles to fly. By having two massive issues they end up short-changing both. And then Darkh looses his 10,000 dead people power because... 200 people liked a speech Ollie gave? Hunh? (that speech fell really flat for me, personally)
The other problem is this season went so big with so much, anything after this can only be horribly anti-climactic. If the next season really does start back at the beginning with one dude alone with a bow, I'm going to be bored to tears all over again. The high point for me will always be seeing Arrow, Spartan, Black Canary, and Red Arrow fighting the bad guys as a team with Felicity on Overwatch, against a charming and funny villain with magic powers.
It was impressive how much closure this episode brought though. It felt like a series finale in a lot of ways. It (apparently) brought the flashback storyline to the beginning of the series, it resolved all the stories with no new villains or cliffhangers left over, it left Ollie as Mayor, everybody else went off to live their own lives...
"This city has been through tough times before...and we're not gonna let a little global nuclear armageddon get us down!"
Not yet.
He has to go join the Russian mob now, right?
On Soviet Arrow, city fails YOU!
On Soviet Arrow, city fails YOU!
He still has his promise to Tayana to keep
That's right. Ollie was stranded on the island for five years, and this is the end of season 4. And his adventures with (in?) the Russian mob are still unrevealed. There's going to be at least one more season's worth of flashbacks before we catch up. (I say "at least" because the events in this season's flashbacks seemed to span only a matter of days, weeks at most, rather than a whole year. So the flashbacks don't necessarily have to advance in real time.)
So Arrow post season 5...we going to switch to flash forwards?
That's not the only silly thing about it.
That entire threat is essentially "I'm gonna kill your daughter slightly earlier than you'll kill her yourself."
If Thea had called Ollie, on her cellphone an hour earlier, "I have Darhk's daughter, I'm on my way, but traffic is murder, threaten him to stand down and he'll buckle immediately, and you probably won't have to fight him and lose again for the 10th time".
Seriously!
Kidnapping children with a security detail successfully is difficult.
Unless you're an idiot relying on luck, and don't mind being shot, it takes days to plan and hours to execute.
Seriously!
Kidnapping children with a security detail successfully is difficult.
Unless you're an idiot relying on luck, and don't mind being shot, it takes days to plan and hours to execute.
I've never had to deal with a security detail.
No city in the DC Universe is safe it seems! 
Or more like the season 1 finale of Heroes.
Also the ending of STID, with Spock and Khan fighting on moving transports. Hahaha
It definitely felt like a series finale/show not sure if being canceled season finale(obviously they know the show is coming back) to me as well. Then again maybe it is payback. Last season ended with Oliver and Felicity leaving the fight and city and living happy suburban lives while the rest of the team fought.
Now the team all left and it is just Oliver and Felicity.
BTW I really agree on the speech not doing much. I thought it should have been Green Arrow giving the speech and revealing himself to be Oliver Queen.
I think they were building on the "Schism" idea established in the title and dialogue. Oliver tried to be a more positive kind of crimefighter as the Green Arrow, but he ended up descending into darkness anyway. So the idea is that it's only as Oliver Queen that he can bring the light and inspire the city, while the Green Arrow draws him in a darker direction. Or something like that.
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