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Arrow - Season 3

Ugh NO! Do we have to go through another redemption arc. Its second only to love triangles as the most used trope on CW.

If the writers want to be original, let Thea do what she originally planned and try to be a normal person.

What redemption arc? No one is talking about a redemption arc for Malcolm.

Season 1 was all about redemption for Oliver and season 2 was redemption for Sarah Lance. I don't want to see Thea turn evil and then see the error of her ways by the season finale.

I don't think season one was about redemption for Oliver. If anything, it was season 2 that's about redemption for him. That's the stuff where him causing the death of Shado fits in. It's also where he stops being a murderer (as much). Season one was about vengeance, not redemption.
 
More info on the "Seth" character from the casting sheet of a few weeks ago:

From tvline.com

Any new news on Arrow Season 3? The wait is killing us! –Jeff

‘Member the “Seth” guy I told you about a couple of weeks ago? Well, the casting for that role has since been tweaked, and he is now described as a “shade of a man” with a quiet intensity, a “criminal mastermind who whistles classical music” as he goes about his devious business. There’s also talk of him having “reptilian eyes.” Whomever he is, he will be the Big Bad for the season opener.
 
Since Batman is reserved for major film productions, does this mean that Arrow is free to keep raiding Batman's mythology for their own use? I heard somewhere that Nightwing might appear on the show. Hope it's not true.
 
I doubt they're "free," but I think they have considerable flexibility. I would imagine there would be a tendency not to push mutually exclusive DC TV versions between Arrow and Gotham, which means the most famous Batman villains would be likely out. But I do imagine lesser known ones are fair game (by that logic, Nightwing might work, since I doubt he'd appear in the film franchise and certainly won't appear in Gotham).
 
I do hope WB gives up on the whole embargo thing, especially if they go ahead with a Flash film franchise.

I would hope that they'd figured out by now that no one cares but them and they tell CW they can do whatever they want with the DC license. So that there'd just be the Snyder-verse and the DCW verse--and possibly whatever happens with Gotham, but, realistically, that's probably not going to last past a season or two.

There's absolutely no reason for them not to do that other than WB's stubbornness.
 
I think Nightwing would be a great guest star. His skill set would be a really good fit with the show.
 
I do hope WB gives up on the whole embargo thing, especially if they go ahead with a Flash film franchise.

I would hope that they'd figured out by now that no one cares but them and they tell CW they can do whatever they want with the DC license. So that there'd just be the Snyder-verse and the DCW verse--and possibly whatever happens with Gotham, but, realistically, that's probably not going to last past a season or two.

There's absolutely no reason for them not to do that other than WB's stubbornness.
I think they could get away with having one version of a character in movies, and another on TV, but I doubt we'd see two different versions of the same character on two different TV shows.
Although now that I write that I remember that we will have two versions of Quicksilver in movies after next year, so I guess there is a chance we could see different version of DC characters on multiple shows.
 
Devon Aoki Joins 'Arrow’

Devon Aoki has landed a major recurring guest role on the hit CW drama Arrow from Warner Bros TV.

Aoki will play Tatsu Yamashiro. She is a Japanese martial arts expert who wields a deadly sword, a blade from which her codename Katana is derived. In Arrow, Tatsu will be one of Oliver’s mentors in the flashbacks and a critical influence on his journey to eventually become The Arrow of present day.

Yay, Katana.
 
Aoki is about the only reason to watch the second FF film.

Looking forward to seeing her as Katana.

I assume they're going to borrow from her N52 story given the association to Canary and Waller.
 
Oh, god, I hope they don't borrow from the New 52 story. I'd even take her Beware the Batman backstory over whatever the heck she's supposed to be in the New 52.

Still, this is Arrow, so whatever inspires their version, it will probably still be a good deal different. I just hope she's different in a good way, kind of like how Merlyn doesn't resemble the comic version at all but is a pretty good character. Hopefully she won't be in the same camp as Count Vertigo, Deathstroke, Black Canary and Sin, who definitely didn't benefit from the changes from the comics.
 
character. Hopefully she won't be in the same camp as Count Vertigo, Deathstroke, Black Canary and Sin, who definitely didn't benefit from the changes from the comics.

What's wrong with Count Vertigo? He's probably one of my favourite Arrow villains, I was so sad when he died. Just plain awesome character! Deathstroke has literally become my favourite super villain because of Arrow, Manu Bennet is terrific! Can't disagree with you on Black Canary though, the casting was the main problem with her. But in the finale when she gave Loral her jacket, that was a nice hint she will now become Black Canary! :)
 
character. Hopefully she won't be in the same camp as Count Vertigo, Deathstroke, Black Canary and Sin, who definitely didn't benefit from the changes from the comics.

What's wrong with Count Vertigo? He's probably one of my favourite Arrow villains, I was so sad when he died. Just plain awesome character! Deathstroke has literally become my favourite super villain because of Arrow, Manu Bennet is terrific! Can't disagree with you on Black Canary though, the casting was the main problem with her. But in the finale when she gave Loral her jacket, that was a nice hint she will now become Black Canary! :)

Count Vertigo is literally royalty from a foreign country, who has the ability to cause people to experience extreme vertigo. He was done pretty well in the first Suicide Squad comic, which was generally awesome. He's not a favorite villkain of mine by any means, but I liked him in SS and he's been a decent c-list villain (and sometimes government agent) in comics over the years. The Arrow version doesn't even slightly resemble him. I don't think the Arrow drug dealer has one thing in common with thew actual Count Vertigo, outside of his alias (they might have the same real name, I don't actually know the Arrow version's real name). Plus, the arrow version is just irritating, so he can't even redeem himself by being an interesting character that stole a name.

The actor that played Deathstroke was great. But, Deathstroke isn't a completely mental psychopath, at least when he's done well. He's had grudges before, but the Arrow version was literally insane. In the comics, deathstroke was at his best as a cold, calculating mercenary. On Arrow, he goes around killing innocent people to punish Ollie for something Oliver was not responsible for. Ivo killed Shado, and Oliver wasn't even slightly at fault for what happened. So, seeing Slade act like a complete nutjob was really disappointing, and ruined the Arrow version.

To be fair, in the comics Deathstroke was sometimes the victim of horrible writers and did some really stupid, bizarre things (like whatever the hell happened between him and his daughter Rose) but he just came off as a generic, super powered crazy guy in Arrow once he became a villain. I liked him until he went crazy, but after that he was just depressingly lame. He was definately a threat, but there was a bit too much crazy in him, and not the good kind of crazy like you'd get from a lot of Batman villains. If they hadn't made Slade crazy, and had made Shado's death more directly Oliver's fault (maybe through incompetent or some kind of hanging from a cliff type choice), then I think it could have made Slade and his revenge more interesting. But, the craziness, and the fact that Ollie really wasn't the one who killed Shado, made Arrow's version of Deathstroke pretty mediocre to me once he became a villain.
 
Big news for Arrow at Comic Con according to Stephen Amell.

Oh, and apparently he does his training in a Super Mario Bros. gym. That's awesome!

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkkLwgbw2Z4[/yt]
 
character. Hopefully she won't be in the same camp as Count Vertigo, Deathstroke, Black Canary and Sin, who definitely didn't benefit from the changes from the comics.

What's wrong with Count Vertigo? He's probably one of my favourite Arrow villains, I was so sad when he died. Just plain awesome character! Deathstroke has literally become my favourite super villain because of Arrow, Manu Bennet is terrific! Can't disagree with you on Black Canary though, the casting was the main problem with her. But in the finale when she gave Loral her jacket, that was a nice hint she will now become Black Canary! :)

Count Vertigo is literally royalty from a foreign country, who has the ability to cause people to experience extreme vertigo. He was done pretty well in the first Suicide Squad comic, which was generally awesome. He's not a favorite villkain of mine by any means, but I liked him in SS and he's been a decent c-list villain (and sometimes government agent) in comics over the years. The Arrow version doesn't even slightly resemble him. I don't think the Arrow drug dealer has one thing in common with thew actual Count Vertigo, outside of his alias (they might have the same real name, I don't actually know the Arrow version's real name). Plus, the arrow version is just irritating, so he can't even redeem himself by being an interesting character that stole a name.

The actor that played Deathstroke was great. But, Deathstroke isn't a completely mental psychopath, at least when he's done well. He's had grudges before, but the Arrow version was literally insane. In the comics, deathstroke was at his best as a cold, calculating mercenary. On Arrow, he goes around killing innocent people to punish Ollie for something Oliver was not responsible for. Ivo killed Shado, and Oliver wasn't even slightly at fault for what happened. So, seeing Slade act like a complete nutjob was really disappointing, and ruined the Arrow version.

To be fair, in the comics Deathstroke was sometimes the victim of horrible writers and did some really stupid, bizarre things (like whatever the hell happened between him and his daughter Rose) but he just came off as a generic, super powered crazy guy in Arrow once he became a villain. I liked him until he went crazy, but after that he was just depressingly lame. He was definately a threat, but there was a bit too much crazy in him, and not the good kind of crazy like you'd get from a lot of Batman villains. If they hadn't made Slade crazy, and had made Shado's death more directly Oliver's fault (maybe through incompetent or some kind of hanging from a cliff type choice), then I think it could have made Slade and his revenge more interesting. But, the craziness, and the fact that Ollie really wasn't the one who killed Shado, made Arrow's version of Deathstroke pretty mediocre to me once he became a villain.

Just because characters are different to the comics doesn't make them bad, it's good to change things, if everything was very similar to the comics on screen, there would be no surprise, nothing fresh. Count Vertigo on Arrow I thought was great and fits in the show a treat. Same with Deathstroke, his insanity mad it viable for his obsession with Oliver Queen to exist, otherwise it would just be weird.
 
Just because characters are different to the comics doesn't make them bad, it's good to change things, if everything was very similar to the comics on screen, there would be no surprise, nothing fresh. Count Vertigo on Arrow I thought was great and fits in the show a treat. Same with Deathstroke, his insanity mad it viable for his obsession with Oliver Queen to exist, otherwise it would just be weird.

What makes them bad is that they were just bad characters. Like I said before, I like the Arrow version of merlyn, who is nothing like the comic version. Count vertigo the drug dealer doesn't fit anything. There was no reason to use the name, it was a complete waste. Slade didn't need to be obsessed with Oliver. There can be revenge stories where the person who wants revenge isn't a complete nutjob.

It seems like any criticism always gets met with "just because its different doesn't mean its bad". I'd say that, just because its different doesn't automatically make it a good difference. Arrow has some good changes. Oliver's family was interesting, as was his parents being part of a conspiracy. Giving Oliver partners (Felicia and Diggle) was a great choice. Merlyn is cool, and Oliver's friendship with Slade was interesting. His currently hinted at interactions with Waller in the past, and the upcoming Hong Kong stuff looks like it will be cool. All of this stuff is different from the comics, and they were all good changes.

Arrow did a lot of good things by moving away from the comics. Its also happened to have done some dumb stuff. Vertigo is an annoying drug dealer who really has nothing interesting about him. He's definitely not as interesting as his namesake. Slade as a sane villain who wanted revenge over something Oliver was actually responsible for would have been interesting and made Slade a better villain. Having Slade's revenge be because of something Oliver was actually responsible for would have given Oliver something real to feel guilty over, instead of irrational guilt over a death he didn't cause and couldn't prevent.

Its all opinion in the end, I guess. I like Arrow, even though I feel it missed some good opportunities and make some mistakes in adapting elements. I'm hopeful that Season 3 will be better than season 2, and I'm sure we'll get some good new ideas and at least a few good adaptations of comic elements. I'm just saying tat I don't think the show is above reproach, and like every show its made some mistakes.
 
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