I wonder just Malcolm was thinking when had Thea kill Sara, it makes no sense. It was rather anticlimatic for Thea to tell Laurel that it was her who killed Sara and I have to wonder just what Nyssa's reaction was. And Ray certainly got lucky, he's also got a lock on Tony Stark's lifestyle it might've been nice to see hiim in action.
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At least Ray knew how to fly right off the bat unlike that tech hack Stark. Two scenes in a row where we need to clear the room is poor writing. Then we tell Laurel to go and one scene later there she is. Just something off about this whole shows pacing. The stuff with Ollie and Digg was solid and watching Laurel get beat up is always entertaining.
Whoa. I never saw that coming. Is Ra's offer genuine, or is it a trick? Will Oliver take it?
I really enjoyed this episode. Now Laurel also knows that Thea was responsible for Sara's death, though not willingly. Laurel took it surprisingly well when Thea told her the truth, but her reaction was understandable, seeing as Merlyn was the one who controlled Thea in the first place. Although she was no match for Merlyn, Laurel's thirst for vengeance was justified.
The story would've ended abruptly once Merlyn was captured by the League, but Ollie felt it necessary to mount a rescue mission for Merlyn. I, too, sided with Felicity and the others, thinking Merlyn's capture and eventual death at the hands of Ra's al Ghul would solve all their problems. But Oliver can be full of shite sometimes. "I can't let Thea live with the guilt of causing Merlyn's demise." We all know that wasn't the only reason. He had a score to settle with Ra's. And now that he's being offered the position of the new head of the League, he might just change his mind.
It was nice to see Felicity get laid finally. That woman needed it, especially working for a very sexy tough-as-nails guy like Oliver. It must be frustrating as hell. I suppose Ray Palmer was the next best thing.
I really enjoyed this episode. Now Laurel also knows that Thea was responsible for Sara's death, though not willingly. Laurel took it surprisingly well when Thea told her the truth, but her reaction was understandable, seeing as Merlyn was the one who controlled Thea in the first place. Although she was no match for Merlyn, Laurel's thirst for vengeance was justified.
The story would've ended abruptly once Merlyn was captured by the League, but Ollie felt it necessary to mount a rescue mission for Merlyn. I, too, sided with Felicity and the others, thinking Merlyn's capture and eventual death at the hands of Ra's al Ghul would solve all their problems. But Oliver can be full of shite sometimes. "I can't let Thea live with the guilt of causing Merlyn's demise." We all know that wasn't the only reason. He had a score to settle with Ra's. And now that he's being offered the position of the new head of the League, he might just change his mind.
It was nice to see Felicity get laid finally. That woman needed it, especially working for a very sexy tough-as-nails guy like Oliver. It must be frustrating as hell. I suppose Ray Palmer was the next best thing.
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I love Willa Holland. Anyway um Ollie being the next Ra's? Meh.
So is he immortal?
If it's a consciousness transferring trick, would that be a blending like with a trill or an eclipsing like in Freejack?
If it's a consciousness transferring trick, would that be a blending like with a trill or an eclipsing like in Freejack?
I predict Nyssa & Thea becoming lovers. 
Actually, no -- Ray Palmer is The Atom, basically DC's equivalent to Marvel's Ant-Man, since his power is shrinking to tiny size (which somehow also lets him travel through phone lines, although that's kind of an obsolete power these days). Apparently his character in Arrow was originally meant to be Ted Kord, the Blue Beetle -- who more or less is the Iron Man equivalent, a billionaire high-tech hero, but without the emotional baggage and bad-boy personality. For some reason, they changed his name to Ray Palmer, but are still basically writing him as if he were Ted Kord. (Maybe they figured A.T.O.M. was a less silly code name than Blue Beetle?)
But then, repurposing superhero arcs for other heroes seems to be their go-to move lately. In the comics, the hero that Ra's al Ghul picked as his successor was Batman.
Anyway... For years, I've been seeing people say that Brandon Routh strongly reminded them of Christopher Reeve, and I could never see the resemblance. Somehow, watching him with Felicity here (specifically in the shirtless scene), I suddenly saw it clearly, in his face and in his expressions and delivery. I finally get it.
One of the execs said that DC/WB made them change from Blue Beetle to someone else (they picked Atom) because there were already plans to do something with Kord. I assume this to be the Booster Gold show on Syfy that's been in development hell for several years.
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Zack Snyder mentioned Blue Beetle as a possible character for Justice League. DC doesn't seem consistent with which characters are off limits, but it seems Harley Quinn is off limits because of the Suicide Squad movie and Blue Beetle is probably off limits because of Justice League.
On the other hand, Flash seems fair game, as is any Suicide Squad member that has already appeared in the show (particularly Amanda Waller). And Superman might be in Supergirl.
On the other hand, Flash seems fair game, as is any Suicide Squad member that has already appeared in the show (particularly Amanda Waller). And Superman might be in Supergirl.
I only really knew Blue Beetle from Young Justice and tangentially after reading the Death of Superman comics years ago. Reading up on Ted Korrd really makes it more sense to be him than Ray Palmer, but I like what we got.
[Also fun that once he suits up, he flies by the open window on an upper floor on a building in a city which is CLEARLY very cold according to everyone else outside in this episode. Why the open windows? I'd expect that sleeping with Felicity WOULD be pretty hot, but still...]
Regarding Ra's, I suspect his hot tub is intended to be a reference to his Lazarus Pit, and we may even see it again as it's an expensive prop to be seen for all of ten seconds in this episode (unless the prop was a pre-existing rental). He mentions meeting someone in 1854, which obstensibly confirms his immortality (but true to the tone of this show, they don't dwell on it). However, I'm wondering if this whole inheritance thing means that Ra's as a person is effectively a TITLE that is passed on, and that the Ra's that was in 1854 is not the same person that is Ra's today, but the latest in a long line of people maintaining the legend of Ra's Al Ghul as an immortal force of nature. I wonder.
[And Ra's pronounces his own name as "raysh" here per various DCAU entries et. al., where everyone else sticks to the more Nolanesque "rahs" except for the DJ guy last week. Methinks some actors are researching outside the script's pronunciation guide]
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I like how much Diggle-time we get here - so much so I was worried he might actually be killed. He's always been a voice of reason for all these younger vigilantes, and I think that should be expounded upon more. Also, he may be too cool for one, but he really needs a disguise.
I'm not the most familiar with how prisons work in the US, but if Iron Heights prison is shared between Arrow and The Flash, DOES that mean that both cities are in the same state? Papa Allen was in for murder while Moira was there awaiting trial for conspiracy to commit murder (or terrorism or something). Could Iron Height be a federal prison?
In the DC comics, Keystone is actually in Kansas and the home of the Wally West iteration of the Flash. I really doubt that would be maintained here, as Starling SEEMS to be an analog to Seattle while Central is somewhere in the midwest (or not, obviously it's purposely vague).
Mark
[Also fun that once he suits up, he flies by the open window on an upper floor on a building in a city which is CLEARLY very cold according to everyone else outside in this episode. Why the open windows? I'd expect that sleeping with Felicity WOULD be pretty hot, but still...]
Regarding Ra's, I suspect his hot tub is intended to be a reference to his Lazarus Pit, and we may even see it again as it's an expensive prop to be seen for all of ten seconds in this episode (unless the prop was a pre-existing rental). He mentions meeting someone in 1854, which obstensibly confirms his immortality (but true to the tone of this show, they don't dwell on it). However, I'm wondering if this whole inheritance thing means that Ra's as a person is effectively a TITLE that is passed on, and that the Ra's that was in 1854 is not the same person that is Ra's today, but the latest in a long line of people maintaining the legend of Ra's Al Ghul as an immortal force of nature. I wonder.
[And Ra's pronounces his own name as "raysh" here per various DCAU entries et. al., where everyone else sticks to the more Nolanesque "rahs" except for the DJ guy last week. Methinks some actors are researching outside the script's pronunciation guide]
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I like how much Diggle-time we get here - so much so I was worried he might actually be killed. He's always been a voice of reason for all these younger vigilantes, and I think that should be expounded upon more. Also, he may be too cool for one, but he really needs a disguise.
I'm not the most familiar with how prisons work in the US, but if Iron Heights prison is shared between Arrow and The Flash, DOES that mean that both cities are in the same state? Papa Allen was in for murder while Moira was there awaiting trial for conspiracy to commit murder (or terrorism or something). Could Iron Height be a federal prison?
In the DC comics, Keystone is actually in Kansas and the home of the Wally West iteration of the Flash. I really doubt that would be maintained here, as Starling SEEMS to be an analog to Seattle while Central is somewhere in the midwest (or not, obviously it's purposely vague).
Mark
The Rahs/Reysh thing is fairly consistent. The DJ said Reysh, Maseo said Reysh, and Nyssa says Reysh. Non-League Members and former League members (who aren't really considered league members by Ra's) say Rahs. I think it's their way to have their cake and eat it too.
I thought one was his name and the other other is his nickname.
But what is Atom without his shrinking powers? It would've probably been better to make Brandon Routh into a different superhero, like a white Cyborg.
I believe the plan is to have ihm construct the suit and become a street level Iron Man.
But in an upcoming crossover with Flash getting his shrinking powers, possibly unintentionally?
Btw, no matter what the plan is/was, I was grinning from ear to ear when he zoomed off.
Can't wait to see the Flash gang reacting to him.
Yeah, I think it's fairly consistent on the show, too -- those closely familiar with Ra's, pronounce it correctly and those loosely aware of him pronounce it "Rah's".
Much like the pronunciation of "Goa'uld" on Stargate, where the Jaffa would pronounce it reverently with three syllables and someone like General Hammond would always pronounce it, "Gould," with two syllables.
Keystone and Central are "twin cities" in comics (since COIE) like Minneapolis-St. Paul or Kansas City MO/Kansas KS. Both were in the Midwest. It was the home of the Jay Garrick version of the Flash before Wally moved there. I'm pretty sure Keystone has been mentioned in the Flash TV show so it's where ever Central is.Mark_Nguyen said:
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