Arrow - Season 3

[dansigal]

Sure, it might have been the plan to transition Laurel into Black Canary, but the show has shown in the past that it's willing to with what's working over what's planned. I don't think Felicity was ever really a big part of the overall plan in the beginning, but her character just worked so well that they went with it.

Sara's been a really good character. I'll be disappointed if they killed her off simply because that fits with the plan they had originally developed.

 

[JD]

That was a great start to the season. I like Ray Palmer, he seems like he should be a fun addition to the show. I'm kind of glad they actually made him kind of likeable, I think it's more fun when the rival for the main character is actually likeable instead of being a complete ass.
I didn't mind the stuff with Vertigo, it makes sense that all of that wouldn't stop just because the original Count is dead. The producers kept saying that the big theme this season is "identity", so I think this was the start of that.
Wow, that was a totally unexpected ending. I wonder if this is part of the set up for the arrival of Ra's al Ghul?

 

[Mach5]

I have mixed feelings about the season premiere. The tone of the show has changed significantly. I liked it much better when it was darker and grittier. You guys remember that season 1 scene when Oliver snapped some bad guy's neck, saying "no one can know my secret"? That was a whole other show back then. I liked the moral ambiguity of it. It was actually thought provoking. Different. Controversial even. A superhero... No, a vigilante show for adults.

The fact that one of the best characters in the show was killed off disappointed the shit out of me. She deserved better.

On a brighter note, It's nice to see Brandon Routh getting work. As far as I'm concerned, that dude is the only true heir to Christopher Reeve. His portrayal of Superman redeemed that otherwise shitty movie. For me, at least. Henry Cavill is nothing more than a Ken doll in comparison (not to mention the fact that the Supes movie he starred in was a mind-numbingly idiotic piece of garbage).

Oh, and the fact that TPTB decided to cater to the "Olicity" shipper crowd... Yeah...

Fuck.

 

[sojourner]

I have to admit the scene with Roy and the freon hose looked a bit campy the way he bounced around getting it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah, but hat's what pakour looks like, and other than cgiying out the Saftey Wires (union rules.) a stuntperson probably did do all that in one take without any camera tricks, like in 60's Batman when Adam and Burt used to scale walls.

 

[sojourner]

I was thinking more about when he had the hose and was bouncing towards the bomb.

 

[arch101]

Brandon Routh reminded me more of Christopher Reeve than ever in that ep. wierd.

 

[Taylirious]

Sara dying was great. The EP was fast, BR was fun. Okay start.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You just want to get rid of all other little blonde girls until there is only one little blonde girl.

 

[Taylirious]

I like Felicity & Laurel.

 

[theenglish]

I guess I was more focused on being upset about Ray Palmer to be upset about Sara. Unless they are committed to giving Ray shrinking powers, it makes absolutely no sense why they used him and not Ted Kord. Ray is the scientist who excels at white dwarf stars. Ted is the one who ran a company (Kord Industries), for starters. I don't think Ray ran anything, other than his lab at Ivy University.

I can picture Ted hacking into a computer network. Ray would just shrink and do something sub atomically to get the information. Ted also designed a lot of his equipment and I could see Kord Industries putting out smart watches and belt buckle projectors. Again, Ray was a scientist who studied white dwarf stars.

Not to mention that Ray either had Jean Loring or Laethwyn. Ted was the one who was known to flirt (unsuccessfully) with girls. Including Oracle, who at least tolerated his attempts.

So why the Hell are they using Ray Palmer's name, when the character is clearly a version of Ted Kord?

EDIT: I think this explains things a bit.

Thanks for that link. I was wondering the same thing myself.

 

[wulfio]

There's something to be said for slowing the pace of a show down. I just find it so anti climactic when things are rushed. Oliver went from not knowing if he should pursue felicity( a woman he loves), to pursuing her, to telling her they probably shouldn't be together, in the span of what, 20 hours in the show's chronology? That was like a grade 6 relationship.

As another person mentioned, I too enjoyed the grittiness of season 1. I also preferred the pacing. It seems like season 2 was more rushed than season 1. And if this premier is any indication, season 3 will be even more rushed.

 

[Icemizer]

I didnt feel season two as rushed just expanded. More characters means less time per person. The flashbacks in season one were a little longer but we were establishing Ollie and so needed the time. Now thats not needed, we know who Ollie is and what he will struggle with for however long the show lasts.
I also have no problem with Ray Palmer super scientist/business man. In the comics what has he really done but use some white dwarf star material to make a shrinking belt, hardly super scientist brain needed there.

 

[wulfio]

I'm not talking about the length of the flashbacks. I'm talking about the pacing of the show. slow pace != long flashbacks. And I actually think the flashbacks are longer in season 2, with all the Slade stuff, however, that is irrelevant.

 

[shivkala]

I missed the Flash premiere (I thought they premiered in mid-October and I thought they were pairing Flash and Arrow on the same night), so I DVR'd the encore presentation and finally got a chance to watch it last night.

They aired the promo for next week's Arrow episode, which allowed me to pause it (sorry, no fancy recording to computer tech here, so I can't post a screen-grab), but the grave featured in the promo is definitely Sara's from when she was thought dead from the boat. The dates are "1987-2007" as we've seen before.

Now, the promo still shows Ollie, Felicity, etc. at a funeral, throwing dirt on a casket. However, it could be a flashback to Moira's funeral. I'm still holding out hope that Sara is only "comic book dead" and not "dead/dead."

 

[JanewayRulz!]

I'm still holding out hope that Sara is only "comic book dead" and not "dead/dead."

From your mouth to the producers ears...

Of course, I can see those same producers showing up on a youtube video singing the Coroner's song from the Wizard of Oz.

"As Coroner I must aver, I've thoroughly examined her, and she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead!"

 

[Agent Richard07]

No I think she's dead. There was nothing ambiguous about it. No cut away before she landed/died, no disappearing body, just 3 arrows in the gut and splat. This show doesn't seem like it's going to feature a Lazarus pit. It seems more grounded than to introduce magic.

Now that the Arrow universe includes the Flash, who knows what they'll do.

 

[shivkala]

No I think she's dead. There was nothing ambiguous about it. No cut away before she landed/died, no disappearing body, just 3 arrows in the gut and splat. This show doesn't seem like it's going to feature a Lazarus pit. It seems more grounded than to introduce magic.

Now that the Arrow universe includes the Flash, who knows what they'll do.

Not to mention, I seem to remember Malcolm seeming unambiguously dead at the end of season 1. He's around and kicking.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

The only thing that really gives me hope is Malcolm knew how to fake his own death. My hope is other League of Assassin members do too. That being said, Malcolm took a single arrow to the heart and arguably caught it. Then Oliver ran off without looking. Sara took three arrows and fell from a building. Harder to fake all that. Plus, Laurel ended up holding Sara in her arms.

It may be that Sara only seems dead when she's flushed to sea.

 

[Beagleman]

She pulled a Sherlock!
Well no, I do believe she's gone.