I've been told to go die by men but I was teasing them, fair game, they were not serious.
Are you a feminist?
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I've been told to go die by men but I was teasing them, fair game, they were not serious.
My wife is an interesting case in this one. She doesn't want any roadblocks or special treatment because she is a female, but admits she would be foolish not to take advantage of the opportunities to promote American women going into science and engineering.
Shit, if I could have taken advantage of being a white male from an affluent suburb of NYC, I would have. But somehow I doubt that's the equal opportunity demographic they're going for.
Shit, if I could have taken advantage of being a white male from an affluent suburb of NYC, I would have. But somehow I doubt that's the equal opportunity demographic they're going for.
But that's a false equivalency considering how much more common man-on-woman violence is than the other way round. If I go up to a 5-year-old kid in the park and say "I'm going to bash your head in you little shit" that's more alarming than if he says it to me either.
Except that you and the 5 year old are inherently not equal, and that is something our society regularly accepts and legislates for - the whole gist of feminism is surely that man/woman is an essentially meaningless distinction except in matters relating to biology. Two adults on equal footing, but one can say things about the other that cannot be acceptably returned?
I think in the case of domestic violence/threats of abuse and bodily harm, it's more about explanations than excuses. We know that it is not okay to say these things to another person but society is more intolerant of them from males because of the stats on violence.
It's absolutely not okay or acceptable, but I do think it's useful to look at how and why this double standard came about.
No domestic violence should be acceptable. It does happen both ways, and I think that we should take both kinds with equal seriousness. (And not make a mockery of woman-against-man violence, either. The psychological manipulation and the trauma inflicted are very real.)
Yes I am a male lesbian.
Seriously though yes I'd consider myself a male feminist.
Seriously though yes I'd consider myself a male feminist.
You are a man who clearly does not know the definition of feminist. Here, let me help:
— n
1. a person who advocates equal rights for women
— adj
2. of, relating to, or advocating feminism
This is true. Chauvinism is typically defined as man against woman, but it's just as often the other way around.
I think the point is valid, actually. If I said a woman who crossed me would "die... painfully", I'd like to think I'd be called up on it. Whether the discrepancy is valid or not is an entirely different discussion and one I'm not weighing in on, but it is an illustrative example of the remaining differences in gender relations.
Why do you think that being a Feminist would make you exclude others?
I don't care for the focus on one single class of people--it's very easy for that to turn into a mindset of getting revenge in return for wrongs done, or at the very least, turning a blind eye towards injustices done to those who are not traditionally considered the "oppressed class." (Oh, that person is a man, or white--they can't have been mistreated because of that.) That's not real equality. The truth is that anyone can become a victim of injustice of different types, and I would rather simply look at individual situations on a case-by-case basis of fact rather than starting from any assumptions derived from a person's race or gender. The sad truth is that discrimination is a human trait that we all turn against those who are not like us, if we are not careful, and we should look at it as a species-wide problem, not as THIS group did THIS to another.
Yeah, I've never understood why some men feel that way. It's perfectly possible to support equal rights for women and be male. It doesn't make you less of a man or anything ridiculous like that.
Okay, you're right about that. We're going through a phase now where the revenge and reverse discrimination mindset is getting a lot of mileage-- it's part of our Age of Extremism.
Nevertheless, there are still groups which require advocacy. Women are still not paid as much as men, women and minorities are still not represented sufficiently in the sciences, homosexuals still can't get married in most States et cetera. Advocating for the oppressed does not intrinsically mean marginalizing the unoppressed.
And to my mind, those causes can be worked on as part of a larger mindset of not wanting anybody to be discriminated against. If it is wrong for women and minorities to be treated that way, then it is an offense against human dignity for anyone to be treated that way. Slavery and sex trafficking, for instance, are horrible for both sexes, and for all races that are victimized by it, and so is any kind of degrading treatment.
I tend to take what Martin Luther King, Jr. said very, very literally, about being able to truly regard each other as brothers and sisters, and judge each other solely by the content of our character. We've really lost that ideal of lifting each other up together, and it's unfortunate.
I tend to take what Martin Luther King, Jr. said very, very literally, about being able to truly regard each other as brothers and sisters, and judge each other solely by the content of our character. We've really lost that ideal of lifting each other up together, and it's unfortunate.
I think it's not just about how people are treated, but also about ambition and identity.
I think most often, people are like sheep, and like to copy one another. Children are taught about stereotypes, as well as observing them for themselves, and learn how to compartmentalise and put themselves into boxes. So to a greater or lesser degree children will impose those stereotype upon themselves, and buy into a pre-packaged identity. As they mature, their decisions and expectations of themselves are shaped by biases "This is what women do.".
Quite often I think, this detracts from a person's ability to discover their true self. Sometimes people seem like they blur the line between ambition and stereotyping, and not really being able to explain one without reference to the other.
And that's not limited to gender; It's a phenomenon which applies broadly across many aspects of a person.
I was making a joke that obviously didn't go over well.
People are just TOO damned sensitive. I really hate the PC generation sometimes, and am often ashamed to be a part of it.
Yes. Me too.
I'm not sensitive at all, it just wasn't recognizable as a joke.
As to "Feminism" referring to that humorless, militant fringe -- if we don't promote the true ideals and definition of feminism, but identifying ourselves properly as such, then there will only continue to be a misconception about what feminism is.
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That men can't be feminists is a well-known, if minority position. So it's kind of like joking about vaccines causing autism.
That men can't be feminists is a well-known, if minority position. So it's kind of like joking about vaccines causing autism.
Careful. In our overly-sensitive world, that remark might be construed as a slam against autism.
Or vaccines.
