Are they still in the Local Group?

[Meredith]

I ask this because the groups of Galaxies out there are grouped in Local Groups then Local clusters and then Super Clusters.

We are in the Virgo Supercluster, Vigo Local Group, etc....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Group

I would think that the space between "Local Groups" would be so great that you would need a whole heck of a lot of fuel to send Destiny between one, we are talking about voids in the number 10 to 100 million or even 1 Billion Light Years between them.


The Diagram on the bottom of the wiki page is HUGE. Would Destiny be anywhere on it if it were real?

 

[Brent]

When I watched the first episode, I counted how many "blips" we heard on the screen, indicating a galaxy the ship has passed through, I counted 30 some odd galaxies that Destiny has been through. I'm not saying this is 100% accurate, but I tend to think it is on this scale of magnitude, rather than say hundreds or thousands of millions of galaxies away.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Well it would be reasonable to assume the Ancients would want to survey all the galaxies in the local group before heading out further into the cosmos. But then, we don't know how fast Destiny is moving through galaxies (I believe the creators have said they want to do one galaxy per season.)

 

[Brent]

Also keep in mind, Destiny isn't traveling through dead center of each galaxy, it may just be scraping an arm of a galaxy, so it may actually not be spending a lot of time in them. On the other hand, maybe it is. We don't know how long it has been in the galaxy it is currently in. There are just too many unknowns right now. I wish they would have specified how far they are, I mean, they've got the friggin map right there in front of them of Destiny's journey. I want to know how far out they are.

 

[Meredith]

Well it would be reasonable to assume the Ancients would want to survey all the galaxies in the local group before heading out further into the cosmos. But then, we don't know how fast Destiny is moving through galaxies (I believe the creators have said they want to do one galaxy per season.)

One Galaxy per season and the ship is HOW old?????

That would mean they are many millions of galaxies away....

 

[SG-17]

Well it would be reasonable to assume the Ancients would want to survey all the galaxies in the local group before heading out further into the cosmos. But then, we don't know how fast Destiny is moving through galaxies (I believe the creators have said they want to do one galaxy per season.)

One Galaxy per season and the ship is HOW old?????

That would mean they are many millions of galaxies away....

Well maybe the presence of a crew makes the ship go faster.

idk....

 

[Checkmate]

Considering that the seeder ships probably travel as quickly as the Destiny can, chances are the Destiny is *really* taking its sweet time following behind. Because after "only" a million years, there's no way it'd still be trailing behind a ship that has to stop, map out multiple worlds (they have to find habitable ones afterall), detect any useful supplies on that world, judge if its worthy of a gate, find a place to put a stargate, build a stargate from scratch, plant it, and then transmit the information to the Destiny before continuing on.

So yeah. Chances are the Destiny's been taking a very casual approach to traveling before she got a crew.

 

[Brent]

^ good theory, once again we just have a lack of information, no info has been given to how far behind the ships Destiny is, sigh

 

[David cgc]

Well, the exterior shots showed they'd been in the Sombrero Galaxy, so they aren't in the Local Group. That also makes them some ten times farther away from Earth than the Pegasus Galaxy.

 

[The Wormhole]

Sombrero Galaxy. It's a shame they never said that in dialogue.

Can we start calling the aliens "Sombreroids"? Please?

Ah, screw it, I'll now call them Sombreroids and it will stick. Just like Rush's three stooges.

 

[Checkmate]

Well, the exterior shots showed they'd been in the Sombrero Galaxy, so they aren't in the Local Group.

Where on earth did you pull that from? There's only four general types of galaxies. How are you identifying a specific one just by its appearance??

 

[David cgc]

Second-hand, actually, but I just checked it. Luckily, that image on the Wikipedia page is the exact same one the VFX guys used in the episode. If you like, I could upload a comparison image, with distinctive features circled and such.

(Protip- the image was flipped in the episode, as a game attempt to show that they're seeing the galaxy from the other side)

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Rush said in the pilot that they're "several billion light years from home," which would place them quite far outside the Local Group.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Sombrero Galaxy. It's a shame they never said that in dialogue.

Can we start calling the aliens "Sombreroids"? Please?

Ah, screw it, I'll now call them Sombreroids and it will stick.

 

[Checkmate]

Second-hand, actually, but I just checked it. Luckily, that image on the Wikipedia page is the exact same one the VFX guys used in the episode. If you like, I could upload a comparison image, with distinctive features circled and such.

(Protip- the image was flipped in the episode, as a game attempt to show that they're seeing the galaxy from the other side)

So what you're actually saying is that they happened to use a stock photo of the Sombrero galaxy for the galaxy they're in, not any actual in-show evidence that they're in the Sombrero galaxy. Gotcha.

 

[Meredith]

Rush said in the pilot that they're "several billion light years from home," which would place them quite far outside the Local Group.

Assuming they are "several" billion LY from Earth, that is only still just 1/10th or less across the entire visible universe......


I think the ancient colonization of the Universe was an epic FAIL, and now all the gate building ships now are just giant "clanking replicators" that go abotu their mere business placing stargates on worlds and moving on, never to finish....

 

[Lindley]

That also makes them some ten times farther away from Earth than the Pegasus Galaxy.

They have to be further than that. If it was only 10x, the Hammond would have swung by to pick them up in episode 5.

 

[David cgc]

So what you're actually saying is that they happened to use a stock photo of the Sombrero galaxy for the galaxy they're in, not any actual in-show evidence that they're in the Sombrero galaxy. Gotcha.

If by "actually" you mean "did," sure.

...the exterior shots showed...

That also makes them some ten times farther away from Earth than the Pegasus Galaxy.

They have to be further than that. If it was only 10x, the Hammond would have swung by to pick them up in episode 5.

Not necessarily. They have no way to accurately communicate their position to Earth. Even if they could narrow down which galaxy they were in, either using the route map they found after they arrived or by someone recognizing the shape of the galaxy after they exited it, that's still an enormous area for a rescue ship to search. We don't even know if the Destiny has any kind of beacon or emissions that could be detected over a distance. The Sombreroids can find them since they have an enormous advantage, in that they know the approximate route of the Destiny through the galaxy from the distribution of stargates, and even then they needed a tracking device to catch up to them with any regularity.

It's entirely possible that the reason they never sent a rescue ship is because they'd never find Destiny once they got there.

 

[Lindley]

That seems unlikely. If they can see the stars, they can triangulate their position well enough. Put together with the stellar type of their current system, and Hammond could find them. The stones are a massive advantage, too.

 

[Checkmate]

So what you're actually saying is that they happened to use a stock photo of the Sombrero galaxy for the galaxy they're in, not any actual in-show evidence that they're in the Sombrero galaxy. Gotcha.

If by "actually" you mean "did," sure.

No, you tried to make it sound like they were actually in the Sombrero galaxy. You know, by stating that then attempting to come up with random distance you pulled directly out of your ass as a result.