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Are there fans of Star Trek V?

I really enjoy Star Trek V. This movie feels vast and epic in a way that the other films don't, except for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The script may have needed a little more work, but the things that work, like the characterization, really works.
 
I have to say, STV was one of my faves, i liked the humour ('i know this ship like the back of my hand' :guffaw:), and the character interaction between the main three. Also, I have to say that when i was a bit younger, i'd watch each star trek flick without any preconceived ideas of what was considered a 'flop' or a 'success' in the eyes of the movie critics or fans or whatever, so i watched each movie with an unbiased eye, and i think that gives you a better idea of what was a genuinelly great star trek film or not, and i feel it makes you less cynical and hypercritical of films generally. With that in mind the only one i've ever watched that i never really found myself waching more that once or twice was Nemesis, i don't hate the film but something about that one never really clicked with me. Data's death didn't help, but it wasn't just that since STII had Spocks death and that's one of my faviroutes, anyways i'll leave that one for another thread lol.
 
Also, I have to say that when i was a bit younger, i'd watch each star trek flick without any preconceived ideas of what was considered a 'flop' or a 'success' in the eyes of the movie critics or fans or whatever, so i watched each movie with an unbiased eye, and i think that gives you a better idea of what was a genuinelly great star trek film or not, and i feel it makes you less cynical and hypercritical of films generally.

I really think there's something to this. My introduction to Trek was a collection of the first five movies that my father owned on VHS. I was in 2nd grade or so (born Janurary 1981). At the very same time Fox was showing TOS reruns and he was watching those as well. I had no notion of Trek fandom or history; it was all new to me, and I had no clue that those TOS episodes I watched were filmed twenty-and-change years prior to the time I watched them.

So, you see, when the Enterprise travels to the center of the galaxy to find God, it didn't seem any more out of place to me than finding the god Apollo alive on a remote planet; and Uhura's dancing and Scotty's hapless headsmack on the bulkhead didn't seem any sillier than Kirk neighing like a horse while Spock sings under the influence of telekinetic aliens, or Abraham Lincoln and Surak battling Ghengis Khan and Kodos the Executioner (or whoever was in that episode).

To me, STV is the ONLY of the flicks to capture the spirit of the series. If I was bothered by the cheesy special effects I wouldn't have liked TOS. If I didn't like the silly humor then I wouldn't have been able to stomach the idea of alien planets run by Chicago mobsters.

Most importantly, it was the only movie to capture that rare essence that only TOS had: the spirit of exploration. There's a great moment in The Final Frontier: when Kirk, Spock, and McCoy have proven themselves unable to be roped in by Sybok's brainwashing, and yet, as the Enterprise is to traverse the barrier to the center of the galaxy, we see they're actually dying to know what's on the other side - not through coersion, but because they want To Boldy Go, and that's why they're on that ship.

I'm not going to say it's the best movie of the lot. The Nick Meyer movies, TWOK and TUC, are so immersive and polished and just tight that they're impossible to top from a production standpoint, but let's face it, they're hardly reminiscent of ANY episode of the series you ever saw, in mood or spirit.

But I will say that, as a kid raised on the movies and series simultaneously, The Final Frontier just fit. It felt right. It still does!
 
My main issue with v is that the scripting was kind of poor. It could have been done much better in my opinion, not that I would be able to do it since I don't have the experience. I would of liked to know more about the "god" entity, but that will not happen save for the novels.
 
Also, I have to say that when i was a bit younger, i'd watch each star trek flick without any preconceived ideas of what was considered a 'flop' or a 'success' in the eyes of the movie critics or fans or whatever, so i watched each movie with an unbiased eye, and i think that gives you a better idea of what was a genuinelly great star trek film or not, and i feel it makes you less cynical and hypercritical of films generally.

I really think there's something to this. My introduction to Trek was a collection of the first five movies that my father owned on VHS. I was in 2nd grade or so (born Janurary 1981). At the very same time Fox was showing TOS reruns and he was watching those as well. I had no notion of Trek fandom or history; it was all new to me, and I had no clue that those TOS episodes I watched were filmed twenty-and-change years prior to the time I watched them.

So, you see, when the Enterprise travels to the center of the galaxy to find God, it didn't seem any more out of place to me than finding the god Apollo alive on a remote planet; and Uhura's dancing and Scotty's hapless headsmack on the bulkhead didn't seem any sillier than Kirk neighing like a horse while Spock sings under the influence of telekinetic aliens, or Abraham Lincoln and Surak battling Ghengis Khan and Kodos the Executioner (or whoever was in that episode).

To me, STV is the ONLY of the flicks to capture the spirit of the series. If I was bothered by the cheesy special effects I wouldn't have liked TOS. If I didn't like the silly humor then I wouldn't have been able to stomach the idea of alien planets run by Chicago mobsters.

Most importantly, it was the only movie to capture that rare essence that only TOS had: the spirit of exploration. There's a great moment in The Final Frontier: when Kirk, Spock, and McCoy have proven themselves unable to be roped in by Sybok's brainwashing, and yet, as the Enterprise is to traverse the barrier to the center of the galaxy, we see they're actually dying to know what's on the other side - not through coersion, but because they want To Boldy Go, and that's why they're on that ship.

I'm not going to say it's the best movie of the lot. The Nick Meyer movies, TWOK and TUC, are so immersive and polished and just tight that they're impossible to top from a production standpoint, but let's face it, they're hardly reminiscent of ANY episode of the series you ever saw, in mood or spirit.

But I will say that, as a kid raised on the movies and series simultaneously, The Final Frontier just fit. It felt right. It still does!

I believe that's a very fair statement.

I love Star Trek V myself, and for many of the reasons you listed above.
Also, I watch my Trek movies with an open mind. If I'm going to accept Klingons and Vulcans, warp speed, transporters and brain slugs, I can suspend my disbelief, because the characters were so well done. The unspoken bond between Kirk, Spock and McCoy, pulled the film together and made it one of the dearest to my heart.

I think one of the things that has always bothered me is when someone says "so and so movie sucks and there's no reason why anyone should like it". Now, I'm no fan of Nemesis, at all. I don't like that movie. I can't sit through it. However, I don't go around saying "anyone who likes Nemesis isn't a fan" or "only brain dead idiots watch this movie and like it". I'm not a big fan of VOY and not a major fan of ENT although I can find value in both. That being said, if you like those series', then you have your reasons, and for a Trek fan to deride someone just spits in the face of Star Trek, I believe, because it devalues what message someone sees in the show. If we did that back in '69, it would have killed Trek permanently. I think, over time, so many fans have become just more than a bit spoiled. We've got so much now, that we decide what should and should not be Trek and cast aspersions upon those who don't like what we like. That needs to change, and the utter lambasting that Trek V fans take on occasion is prime example of that.

J.
 
I showed this one to a non-trekker friend along time ago. She wasn't a trekker, having only seen some TOS episodes but her response to it was highly complimentary. She said; They made a classic with that one. It reminds me of the TV show more than any other. I agree with her.

Whilst it isn't my favourite of the films, it certainly isn't the worst, IMHO. Your friend has a good point - they go to some planets, the Kirk, Spock and McCoy relationship is very much to the fore and it balances the drama with humour. Sounds a lot like a TOS episode.
 
Not a big fan, no. It's a bit to silly and forced for me, like trying to capitalize on the entertainment value of the previous film in a terribly transparent way!(IMHO)
 
I just finished watching it again the weekend. For those who have said that V is the closest thing to TOS, you have pretty much nailed it. I haven't watched it in a few years, mainly because I was buying into all of the bashing that it gets and had forgotten how good it really is. I'm glad I decided to dust it off and give it a re-watch.
 
I'm a big fan..The maker of the Bring Back Kirk Trailers 1 and 2 is making a very good re-edited version of V..in fact he is making all kinds of neat special effects to make the movie exactly the way Shatner wrote it before Paramount got their claws into it and ruined it...I hope it is finished soon...
 
I'm a big fan..The maker of the Bring Back Kirk Trailers 1 and 2 is making a very good re-edited version of V..in fact he is making all kinds of neat special effects to make the movie exactly the way Shatner wrote it before Paramount got their claws into it and ruined it...I hope it is finished soon...
:lol:

Don't hold your breath.
 
Wow, the BBK guy is involved with this? Well, that puts it somewhere on my "must-see" list between a remake of Citizen Kane directed by Michael Bay and the complete works of Dr. Uwe Boll. :rolleyes:
 
It's not great, but it has it moments - a fantastic score, and the last time we really see the Kirk/Spock/Bones trio as the trio we know and love.

It actually works better, and is a lot more bearable, on TV/video/DVD simply because the effects don't leap out as being as horrible as they are on a 50-foot screen, and because it feels like a better-than-usual TV Movie (or two-part episode) rather than a worse-than-usual theatrical feature.

It's also kind of unfair that Shatner's direction is slated; it's actually no better or worse than the average director's work, and he was hamstrung by the studio and the effects budget. Feel free to slate his influence on the storyline though! (although, having said that, it is again a classic trope from Roddenberry - his only real plot, as Harlan put it - that the crew find God, who is mad/criminal/a child...

Though I do recommend seeing the Ryan K Johnson MiSTied version if you can.
 
Wow, the BBK guy is involved with this? Well, that puts it somewhere on my "must-see" list between a remake of Citizen Kane directed by Michael Bay and the complete works of Dr. Uwe Boll. :rolleyes:

Yes he is, very much involved..trouble is he has been working on it for a few years and has help with the CGI but I guess he has given up on it..he was making 2 or 3 different versions of it and I used to hear from him (Jay) so I don't know where the project is now. With all the technology that is available now, a third trailer I bet would be totally awesome.
 
Yeah, if you're wowed by the use of CGI to resurrect dead actors and put together "dream casts" that in reality could not be afforded unless everyone worked for scale or Paramount robbed the Federal Reserve Bank. I've seen both BBK trailers and read the other material on the site, and at best it's bad fan-fiction. At worst, someone forgot to clean up after they masturbated on their keyboard.
 
Ooh! This was the one with the Romulan ambassador chick, wasn't it? That was the first time I saw a Romulan. From that point on, I wanted to be one. :D
 
I like it, but I honestly can't explain why. I think the best way to describe it is there are moments in that film that are very strong and poignant and that is why I like it. And I do agree that the main three have some of the best moments in V.
 
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