I also enjoyed Star Trek V, but I think part of the reason I liked it so much was I read the novelization first and brought that into watching the film. It was far from perfect, and the FX weren't up to snuff, but I thought it was a decent film, not worth much of the condemnation it receives. FF also had some of the best character moments in the TOS movies.
Are there fans of Star Trek V?
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I loved the scenes around the campfire. ^^
I love STV.
TFF and TMP, to me, better capture the Kirk/Spock/McCoy triangle than any of the other TOS movies.
V wasn't that awful. It was deeply flawed, but it had some entertaining moments.
If you want a scapegoat for the film which introduced cheap comedy into Trek, look at TVH. Every Trek film since has attempted to include humour, and it has often come off looking forced.
V wasn't that awful. It was deeply flawed, but it had some entertaining moments.
If you want a scapegoat for the film which introduced cheap comedy into Trek, look at TVH. Every Trek film since has attempted to include humour, and it has often come off looking forced.
I actually don't mind it, Though I get irritated by some of the elements in (The Only experienced Captian available, the ship being shambles. Scotty bumbling around, Uhura's fan dance...to name some)
However I have always loved the score of the film, and enjoyed the shuttle stand off with the Klingons. (Klaa was kind of a nut job as it was so it made it fun to see him scolded and forced to apologize at the end :P)
The Yosemite scenes were great (lost in the blizzard was cute ) and the whole "actually gravity is foremost on my mind' quote was classic Kirk/Spock interplay.
Oh the whole not my favorite but a nice escape despite its numerous flaws.
I like V.
However I have always loved the score of the film, and enjoyed the shuttle stand off with the Klingons. (Klaa was kind of a nut job as it was so it made it fun to see him scolded and forced to apologize at the end :P)
The Yosemite scenes were great (lost in the blizzard was cute ) and the whole "actually gravity is foremost on my mind' quote was classic Kirk/Spock interplay.
Oh the whole not my favorite but a nice escape despite its numerous flaws.
I like V.
When I first saw it I enjoyed it so much that I watched it again the next day.
ScatmanRescueMe
Lieutenant Commander
Funny how if you read the novelization first--the movie seems better because your mind adds in all the little insights and plot-hole answers that you read.
As good as WOK is---it was even better in the novel and I don't find myself griping about the stuff they left out because my mind fills it in every time.
As good as WOK is---it was even better in the novel and I don't find myself griping about the stuff they left out because my mind fills it in every time.
I liked ST V. It had some great lines, such as Kirk's "I don't want my pain taken away. I NEED my pain!" (Don't we all?) and of course "What does God need with a starship?"
And it's about time Chekov got a taste of command.
Plus, the bridge set for the 1701 was cool. Pity they couldn't make the rest of the ship (which was quite obviously taken straight off the TNG sets, with little or no modification) look like that.
I agree, though, that the novelization fills in a lot of the gaps, not the least of which is how the Romulan ambassador came to be so white-bread (and even wound up with a human first name).
And it's about time Chekov got a taste of command.
Plus, the bridge set for the 1701 was cool. Pity they couldn't make the rest of the ship (which was quite obviously taken straight off the TNG sets, with little or no modification) look like that.
I agree, though, that the novelization fills in a lot of the gaps, not the least of which is how the Romulan ambassador came to be so white-bread (and even wound up with a human first name).
Personally the movie to me doesn't fail in story. The story is good. It tries hard and get a passing grade. Some parts of the execution hurt it pretty badly, like the forced humor and crazy bits like getting to the center of the Galaxy in minutes. The FX seem to be what is more universally hated. Perhaps if Paramount weren't a bunch of fucking dick wankers, they would have let Shatner refinish his movie like they let Robert Wise do his.
I'm sure many haters would suddenly turn around and find it enjoyable.
I'm sure many haters would suddenly turn around and find it enjoyable.
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Amaris
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Oh, I agree, the story is one of my favorite aspects of the movie.
One of my favorite moments is when they meet "God" and McCoy steps forward and says, in awe, "Is this the voice of...God?"
DeForest really sells that awe and wonder.
J.
DeForest Kelley owns this movie. He's wonderful in every scene he's in.
First best line in the movie: "What does God need with a starship?". Second best line: "Jim! You don't ask the almighty for his ID"
No.
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Lord Garth
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I like TFF superficially.
The premise was gutted from the beginning. They weren't allowed to do a movie about religion or God. They couldn't go where a movie like Contact went.
The problem was Star Trek was a franchise, Paramount just had their most successful Star Trek movie, and Harve Bennett thought a movie about finding God was impossible. Even if it were possible, conventional wisdom was probably that it would bring the movie series to a grinding halt at best and at worst might even affect TNG. If this were a completely stand-alone movie with no franchise attached, there might've been a God movie. Plus if Star Trek Movie Memories is to be believed then Gene Roddenberry was upset that they'd be doing the type of movie he wanted to do in the mid-'70s.
So God becomes a False God. The subject of religion takes a backseat and no opinion is made one way or the other about whether or not God exists. Sybok is declared mad. Klingons are thrown in for conventional adventure. Humor is thrown into what would've been a movie with very serious subject matter originally, because of the success of TVH.
Spock had just died and come back to life not too long ago. What if Sybok had found out about that? Spock and Sybok could've had conflicting views on life after death whether they were fully fleshed out on-screen or not and that could've given the two characters more to work off of instead of just Spock's childhood.
The premise was gutted from the beginning. They weren't allowed to do a movie about religion or God. They couldn't go where a movie like Contact went.
The problem was Star Trek was a franchise, Paramount just had their most successful Star Trek movie, and Harve Bennett thought a movie about finding God was impossible. Even if it were possible, conventional wisdom was probably that it would bring the movie series to a grinding halt at best and at worst might even affect TNG. If this were a completely stand-alone movie with no franchise attached, there might've been a God movie. Plus if Star Trek Movie Memories is to be believed then Gene Roddenberry was upset that they'd be doing the type of movie he wanted to do in the mid-'70s.
So God becomes a False God. The subject of religion takes a backseat and no opinion is made one way or the other about whether or not God exists. Sybok is declared mad. Klingons are thrown in for conventional adventure. Humor is thrown into what would've been a movie with very serious subject matter originally, because of the success of TVH.
Spock had just died and come back to life not too long ago. What if Sybok had found out about that? Spock and Sybok could've had conflicting views on life after death whether they were fully fleshed out on-screen or not and that could've given the two characters more to work off of instead of just Spock's childhood.
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
I would have liked it more if McCoy didn't cuss as much as he did, that ruined it for me. And those little jokes that were slid in there that was not in Shatner's original script were not that funny either.
Think the wooden actress was some kind of StarSearch contestant. To answer the OP, not me! -- RR
