Final Frontier has a lot of silly bits, but I like how it explores the close bond between the three leading characters.
Are there fans of Star Trek V?
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Yeah, count me in. As I said in another thread:
And as cheesy as the movie undoubtedly is, there are some absolutely wonderful moments in it. DeForest Kelley owns this movie, especially his anguished cry of "My God, don't do this to me!" when he realizes what Sybok is up to. And Spock's beautifully subtle response when Sybok says he knows him too well: "Do you?", followed by his total repudiation of Sybok's cause shortly afterwards.
A great movie? Not even close. Embarrassing to some of the supporting cast? Yeah, pretty much. Way more heart than any of the Next Generation films? Absolutely.
I'll be disagreed with, of course; people hating Star Trek V and mocking those of us who have a soft spot in our hearts for it is as old as the movie itself. But you know...I don't care.
Have a question about this movie...
What is it that Sybok shows Spock when he is trying to turn him to the stupid-side (or whatever).
I thought it was something along the lines of Spock's mother dying during childbirth. Obviously that isn't canon when compared to TOS or the new movie...
Maybe that wasn't it though.. haven't seen the movie in a while... so someone help me out.
(Fwiw, DeForrest was awesome in this movie!)
What is it that Sybok shows Spock when he is trying to turn him to the stupid-side (or whatever).
I thought it was something along the lines of Spock's mother dying during childbirth. Obviously that isn't canon when compared to TOS or the new movie...
Maybe that wasn't it though.. haven't seen the movie in a while... so someone help me out.
(Fwiw, DeForrest was awesome in this movie!)
Like I keep saying, I hope I look as good as she did when I'm that age.
Song was bad. Legs... good.
This is clearly one of the worst Trek movies, but I agree with the sentiment that Kelley does a fine job in this one, and Nimoy is pretty okay as well. Shatner can't direct himself worth a damn, and the screenplay is just offensively stupid most of the time.
Yet, I can't complain too harshly, this is the film that gave us the classic and awesome "What does God need with a starship?" line.
Yet, I can't complain too harshly, this is the film that gave us the classic and awesome "What does God need with a starship?" line.
RobertScorpio
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yep..and I am even using SYBOK in my fan fic because I really did liked that character...though, in my story, he is really a 'bad guy'...oh well..
Rob
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And a great line it is!
Only Kirk would say that. Hands off, god! This is my starship!
The whole point of that scene was (and I thought this was obvious) that Sarek looks at the infant Spock and says "So human" as if he's disappointed. There was no mother dying in that scene, just a birth.
The whole point of that scene was (and I thought this was obvious) that Sarek looks at the infant Spock and says "So human" as if he's disappointed. There was no mother dying in that scene, just a birth.
You know, the last thread on this subject is still on page 1, and the one before it on page 3.
It has the best character moments of any Trek movie. It also attempts to be a bit more thoughtful than your average Star Trek movie. For those reasons, I love it.
Star Trek V was not a bad film. I thought it was actually very true to TOS. I mean, how many times in TOS did the Enterprise leave the galaxy, for goodness' sakes. In this movie, at least it stayed in the galaxy. And the whole concept of searching for empirical evidence of a Creator is very much in keeping with some of the other concepts/premises of TOS, except on a grander scale (better to deal with this issue here than in a 50 min small screen episode).
It very much felt like TOS, especially the overall tone and character interaction. As did TVH and TMP. On the other hand, TWOK, TSFS, and TUC felt more theatrical, but less like TOS. I enjoyed these movies more than TFF, TMP, and TVH, but that doesn't mean that I don't recognize TFF as a good movie.
I will admit that the ending was kind of lame. A lot of build up for... what, a torpedo and a BoP gun?
It very much felt like TOS, especially the overall tone and character interaction. As did TVH and TMP. On the other hand, TWOK, TSFS, and TUC felt more theatrical, but less like TOS. I enjoyed these movies more than TFF, TMP, and TVH, but that doesn't mean that I don't recognize TFF as a good movie.
I will admit that the ending was kind of lame. A lot of build up for... what, a torpedo and a BoP gun?
Objection: the ``never-before-seen maintenance shaft'' was, according to Scott, turboshaft three. I trust we can accept the existence of turboshafts as having been entered into the canon before and therefore we needn't face the peril of a Trek movie showing us something that we haven't already seen before.
It's unclear why gravity would be turned on in a turboshaft, but we see it elsewhere in Trek. Very likely it reflects that it's a real pain to do microgravity on film; perhaps in technological terms it's hard to produce a gravity field that doesn't ``leak'' a bit outside the perpendicular. Perhaps it's inconvenient to have independent gravity in the turbolift cabs. Perhaps it's more convenient to leave gravity on when a turboshaft is closed for maintenance, as Scott said it was.
Because it's not really credible to have them escape from the brig and get to the communications gear in the lounge without some kind of response from Sybok's security. This implies a chase. A chase on a single level, or one or two levels, leaves the question of why Kirk, Spock, and McCoy can outrun folks who are (for Sulu) a decade younger than them and (for the other crew) several decades younger. With a straight shot up an otherwise closed turbolift, you can have Kirk, Spock, and McCoy credibly pursued and yet escape in enough time to reach the communications gear.
Therefore you need to put the brig at the base of the ship, and you need something to send Kirk, Spock, and McCoy flying up as fast as possible. Thus Spock's flying boots. And almost certainly, therefore, the introduction of the flying boots, and Kirk's falling off the cliff, before they're needed for the plot.
It also means we do have a particular motif running through the film: Kirk climbing the height, imperiled by falling down (the second time slowly, admittedly), and being rescued by Spock (twice lifted out, once beamed out). You may not like it, but it's an attempt to provide reasonable plot complications and ways out of them that don't come from nowhere.
Flawlessly logical 
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Yes I like this film.
Sharr
Yes I like this film.
Sharr
I showed this one to a non-trekker friend along time ago. She wasn't a trekker, having only seen some TOS episodes but her response to it was highly complimentary. She said; They made a classic with that one. It reminds me of the TV show more than any other. I agree with her.
