Yes. They were still using 1000 year old tech, they deserved it.
Are there any good reasons to not want to be in the Federation?
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If they continue on then no, it is not useless.
Unless one also believes it is useless to study history because they're all a bunch of dead people?
They should have found a better tech between PIC and the Burn.
Actually they did, with the Borg Transwarp Hub in S1 of PIC.
But with the Borg gone the Feds could have taken over that.
Always look to the future.Unless one also believes it is useless to study history because they're all a bunch of dead people?
The Federation is highly reluctant to change technology, so they continue on with what they know works. Transwarp? Never heard of again. Medusan modifications? Nope. Kelvan modifications? Similarly no. Warp 10? Gone.
That's how Starfleet and the Federation are consistently presented. They are extremely careful with adopting new technology.
But not at the expense of the moment.
Real life budgetary reasons I think. We should have had Warp 20 by TNG.
Enjoy the moment to look forward to the future.
I think ignorance of the past.
IDIC my friend.
I don't look to the future. The present has enough trouble at the moment. I look towards doing the best I can today.
Also, missed the Star Wars quote.
Isolation. If you're too far away from the next nearest Federation world distance-wise (with a huge chunk of non-Federation space between you and Fderation territory), it may not be worth pursuing yet.
Though I'm sure the Temporal PD precludes it, perhaps someday the 29th century denizens of a planet may come back in time asking for their planet at that point in time to be allowed to join the 25th century Federation (and be refused, naturally).
Though I'm sure the Temporal PD precludes it, perhaps someday the 29th century denizens of a planet may come back in time asking for their planet at that point in time to be allowed to join the 25th century Federation (and be refused, naturally).
Haven't read anything else, but there's a very good reason not to join the Federation. Everything they get involved with, you'll be dragged along for the ride. No thanks.
I understand that as viewers, we're supposed to be rooting for the Federation, and I do. But if I'm living in-universe, then to my point-of-view, it's more trouble than it's worth. The ideals of the Federation don't match the reality of it.
I understand that as viewers, we're supposed to be rooting for the Federation, and I do. But if I'm living in-universe, then to my point-of-view, it's more trouble than it's worth. The ideals of the Federation don't match the reality of it.
If I were a Klingon or Romulan or any other antagonistic species in TOS, I could think of a few reasons not to sign up for the Federation?
A more interesting option would be the Halkans ("Mirror, Mirror") where they're just an edge regarding the coin of the two-sided mirror universes and the Halkans are the same on either side. BORING!! * So here's some nitty gritty of an idea, have the mirror universe do a rarely-mentioned Picard maneuver some 80 years early, call it "The Mirror Kirk Maneuver", and lob a buncha photon torpedoes across the atmosphere to scare 'em all, then ON the planet. Might have been much for 1967 audiences, but considering how gruesome some of the "Rated G" movies were it can't be too bad... and speaking of rated "G":
@9:21, hehe
* See image below:
(What, you'd thought I'd forget a footnote!
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A more interesting option would be the Halkans ("Mirror, Mirror") where they're just an edge regarding the coin of the two-sided mirror universes and the Halkans are the same on either side. BORING!! * So here's some nitty gritty of an idea, have the mirror universe do a rarely-mentioned Picard maneuver some 80 years early, call it "The Mirror Kirk Maneuver", and lob a buncha photon torpedoes across the atmosphere to scare 'em all, then ON the planet. Might have been much for 1967 audiences, but considering how gruesome some of the "Rated G" movies were it can't be too bad... and speaking of rated "G":
@9:21, hehe
* See image below:
(What, you'd thought I'd forget a footnote!
)
Yes, for a planet of naked women… (That’s basically the reason Zeframe Cochrane went to space, right? lol)
I think the Federation was wrong to repeatedly poke the Dominion with a stick until there was a war that killed people by the multiple thousands, not rooting for that action.
I think Picard's position was completely wrong in Insurrection, the opposite position was imperfect but would have helped people by the millions.
Forcibly relocating residents against their will or even their knowledge is a good thing to do?
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"?
I kid, I kid...we could and have talked about the moral implications of INS in hundreds of posts in many other threads, and we probably shouldn't derail this one with another go-round.
Kind of interesting how Insurrection upends one of Trek's more famous quotes.
TSFS got there first.
I think Kirk's made more sense and cost less.TSFS got there first.
I wish the TNG films had managed anything on the level of the dichotomy managed by TWOK and TSFS (and reflected upon in TVH) with regard to the famous Vulcan saying.
