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Are B-4 or Data mentioned in any post-Nemesis Treklit?

IMO the post-Nemesis TNG cast is weak. I haven't connected with any of the newbies and the only member of the "old guard" left whom I care about is Picard. I say it's time to go Countdownwards and break up the crew.

Data's Enterprise-E should take up an Aventine-style cameo role, and there's loads of potential for The Ashes of Eden/The Last Roundup/The Fearful Summons(but better) -style reunion adventures starring Ambassador Picard and other TNG cast members - who could also crop up individually in other series'.

Yeah, it's the novels with the big political element that are really pushing my buttons - Admiral or Ambassador Picard would be a good 'in' for more of those. Especially as Ambassador Spock is on borrowed time...

Unpopular as it would be in some quarters, the Data situation needs to be dealt with in the not too distant future. If he does become Captain of the Enterprise it wouldn't be straight after his ressurection.
 
a giant flaming bird living inside a planet and hatching out is no more stupid than a giant single-celled amoeba or Apollo showing up.

Those are all pretty stupid really, if we're being honest.

time-travel through a black hole is mind-bogglingly stupid.
Yes, literally one of the only two possible ways someone could even time travel in real life based on our current understanding of physics is mind-bogglingly stupid.

Also what David_cgc said.
 
I don't dislike them, but...they're just there. I don't feel interested in them in the least.

I don`t mind Trys but I`m really tired of character having issues with the mother or father or...

Is every family in the future totally disfunctional?
 
Nope, just every family in fiction.

Even in a totally functional family, some siblings will often have very different perspectives on certain events. My brothers moved interstate decades ago, but live in fairly close proximity to each other. When I hear them retell family anecdotes, I often wonder if we all grew up in the same house! Together, they now remember events very differently to those of my parents and myself.
 
It disappoints me that the writers would feel obligated to follow anything from the "Prime" timeline. It was never clearly established in the movie that "Spock Prime" came from the same universe/timeline as the novel continuity.

Of course he did. That's the whole reason they brought back Leonard Nimoy, and had him quote familiar lines like "I have been, and always shall be, your friend." I mean, come on, if the film had been intended to be completely unconnected to the old timeline, it would not have included Old Spock at all. Some fans may like to imagine that it's unconnected, just like some fans a few years ago wanted to believe that Enterprise was in an alternate reality from the prior Trek series, and just as some fans back in 1987 no doubt insisted that TNG was in a separate reality from TOS (although frankly they would've kinda been right, because Roddenberry considered a lot of TOS apocryphal by that point). But the intent is clearly that Spock Prime came from the Trek universe we know and love; there was no reason for him to be in the story otherwise. That's official and it's what the tie-in authors are thus obliged to follow.

In fact, an argument could be made that he MUST have came from a different timeline because he remembered Jim Kirk's father surviving long enough to see Jim Kirk in command of the Enterprise even though it was established in "Enterprise: The First Adventure" and "Final Frontier" that George Samuel Kirk, Sr. had died prior to that, around 2259.

Many, many novels' claims have been contradicted by later canon. Hell, there's no way to reconcile Final Frontier's dates with TNG, DS9, VGR, or ENT, so you've got to be kidding if you're claiming it's valid as a canonical source.

Prior canon says nothing whatsoever about Kirk's father or how long he lived. The film contradicts nothing that's actually binding.


There have been so many significant events since then in the novels (like establishment of Titan crew, death of characters like Janeway and Kyle Riker, "destruction" of the Borg, creation of Typhon Pact) that it is almost a foregone conclusion that if there were ever any other canon story that came along after Nemesis that it would establish something that would be irreconcilable from the novels and all these novels will be established as "alternate timeline" anyway. So why not just embrace that mentality now?

Because tie-in novels are obligated to conform to the canon as it exists at the moment. That's the way tie-in literature works, as a general rule. We exist to follow the lead established by the owners and creators of the core franchise, not to strike out in our own separate direction (unless it's clearly labeled as alternate, like Myriad Universes).




I mean, really, Romulus and Remus were destroyed by a supernova that "threatened to destroy the entire galaxy" and also "speed up" unexpectedly at the end so that it couldn't be stopped in time with "red matter"? So scientifically impossible!

It's no worse than Genesis or Sha Ka Ree or thalaron radiation.


time-travel through a black hole is mind-bogglingly stupid.

No, it isn't.
 
okay, correction:

time-travel through a black hole created from a supernova by magic red goo is mind-bogglingly stupid.
 
^Unlike dilithium, whose ability to harness and focus the power of a cataclysmic matter/antimatter reaction is entirely believable.:vulcan:
 
^Unlike dilithium, whose ability to harness and focus the power of a cataclysmic matter/antimatter reaction is entirely believable.:vulcan:

Right.

This is a universe that has transporters. All the rest of this stuff is pretty logical by comparison, really.
 
^Unlike dilithium, whose ability to harness and focus the power of a cataclysmic matter/antimatter reaction is entirely believable.:vulcan:

Right.

This is a universe that has transporters. All the rest of this stuff is pretty logical by comparison, really.


Exactly why I don't consider Star Trek to be science fiction. Sci-fi perhaps, fiction with a bright candy shell of sciency words. The science terminology is slightly better than Lost in Space for example but the actual underlying sciece is just as silly.
 
Nope. Sci-fi is your usual TV "science fiction" Rubber masked aliens that react much the same as humans do. Ray guns. All the silly trappings.

Science Fiction uses actual science and extrapolates from there while not breaking any natural laws. No FTL. No Transporters. No carrot people.

You may use the term Hard Science Fiction if you like but to me sci-fi is the comic book equivalent of science fiction.
 
Do you have some sort of official source to back up your variant definitions, or is this an "in my opinion" scenario? Because if the latter, I fear you're not going to get a lot of mileage out of creating definitions for terms that won't be recognized by others.
 
I've been using that definition pretty much since the late 70's and so have many of my science fiction reading friends. Call it what you want but the science in Star Trek is pretty much saturday morning cartoon quality.
 
Since "sci-fi" is just a shortened form of "science fiction," that doesn't make any sense. It's not really a case of differing definitions; both terms refer to the same concept.
 
Think of it this way, sci-fi is Science Fiction light. It looks like Science Ficiton but it doesn`t have any (or very little) actual science in it. See the difference? Two different but relaterd terms.

If you want to think that the science in Star Trek is in any way plausable, go right ahead. It`s about as scientific as creationism.
 
Perhaps The Physics of Star Trek by Lawrence M. Krauss might serve to prove or disprove some of the science in Star Trek.
 
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