Are B-4 or Data mentioned in any post-Nemesis Treklit?
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So basically it's the term the "science-fiction" fans use to look down on things like Trek. Gotcha.
You can call it looking down if you like. I enjoy both. I just don`t think that Trek qualifies as Science Fiction any more than Game of Thrones would be called Historical Fiction instead of Fantasy.
Go right ahead and think that transporters and warp drive and all the rest of it are plausible. Doesn`t mean that they are. They work just fine in the show but they have no basis in reality.
Go right ahead and think that transporters and warp drive and all the rest of it are plausible. Doesn`t mean that they are. They work just fine in the show but they have no basis in reality.
Science fiction is sci-fi. Sci-fi is science fiction. There is no differentiation. You're thinking of hard science fiction vs. soft science fiction.
Soft science fiction has one or maybe two rules that they break (i.e. - FTL). Otherwise it follows real science. That`s why it`s called Science Fiction.
Sci-fi slaps a coat of science paint on everything, talks about anti-matter and Heisenberg and aliens without giving any of it any real thought other than `this`ll be cool``.
Superman isn`t Science Fiction even if he does come from another planet.
Sci-fi slaps a coat of science paint on everything, talks about anti-matter and Heisenberg and aliens without giving any of it any real thought other than `this`ll be cool``.
Superman isn`t Science Fiction even if he does come from another planet.
did you hear that noise?
that was my mind boggling at the sheer ludicrousness of claiming 'sci-fi' is different to 'science fiction'. THAT is a concept even more ridiculous than anything in JJ Trek...
that was my mind boggling at the sheer ludicrousness of claiming 'sci-fi' is different to 'science fiction'. THAT is a concept even more ridiculous than anything in JJ Trek...
Wait... what?!? Sci-fi is an abbreviation of Science Fiction. Both terms mean exactly the same thing. If you want to talk about "hard" and "soft" science fiction, sure. But the terms "science fiction" and "sci-fi" mean exactly the same thing. That's not a matter of opinion, by the way. That's just the way it is!
That really doesn't make any sense. If sci-fi is less scientific than science fiction, then is it also less fictional? Is Star Trek actually a documentary?
You can call it what you like. However, Star Trek isn`t Science Fiction. The science is laughable. It`s setting. The science is about as convincing as the styrofoam rocks. Got another name other than Science Fiction for it? Going back to a previous example, if Star Trek is Science Fiction, so is Superman.
How about sci-fi is a subset of Science Fiction where the Science is used only as setting and is not required to conform to actual science? Better?
It`s like the ``Is Pluto a Planet?`` debate all over again.
How about sci-fi is a subset of Science Fiction where the Science is used only as setting and is not required to conform to actual science? Better?
It`s like the ``Is Pluto a Planet?`` debate all over again.
No, not better, because "sci-fi" means the same thing as "science fiction." Saying one is a subset of the other is like saying "condos" are a subset of "condominiums."
Who said it's real science? That's what fiction means!!! Sheesh! 
Superman is Science Fiction? Just because it may have some elements of science in it doesn`t mean it`s Science Fiction.
If I set a story on another planet and have people performing magic, that doen`t make it Science Fiction. The science must be at least plausible. If your science isn`t based on reality you`re playing with fantasy.
Legion of Super-Heroes is a sci-fi comic. People can`t fly or turn invisible or grow thirty feet tall. Not Science.
If I set a story on another planet and have people performing magic, that doen`t make it Science Fiction. The science must be at least plausible. If your science isn`t based on reality you`re playing with fantasy.
Legion of Super-Heroes is a sci-fi comic. People can`t fly or turn invisible or grow thirty feet tall. Not Science.
Please point to a widely-accepted definition of science-fiction that states that the science has to be plausible.
And again, your "sci-fi versus science fiction" distinction seems to be your own construct rather than anything that's broadly recognized, so I don't think it's productive to try applying it here, if the reactions you've received from other posters haven't already made that self-evident.
And again, your "sci-fi versus science fiction" distinction seems to be your own construct rather than anything that's broadly recognized, so I don't think it's productive to try applying it here, if the reactions you've received from other posters haven't already made that self-evident.
If the science isn`t plausable then it`s fantasy. It would be like setting a story in the present day and insisting it`s historical fiction. Doesn`t work. How about I call my book a mystery if there`s no mystery in it at all?
A story of me standing in my back yard, wishing really hard and jumping to the moon doesn`t make it science fiction just because I`ve travelled through space.
A story of me standing in my back yard, wishing really hard and jumping to the moon doesn`t make it science fiction just because I`ve travelled through space.
There's hard science fiction and soft science fictions--space opera, say. There's science fiction that draws on the physical sciences and science fiction that draws on the social sciences and science fiction that draws. Etc.
Trek is soft science fiction, tending towards space opera. It does track actual science to some extent, and can do some hard SF if it wants. It stretches.
Star Trek -hard science fiction? You got an example? Some of the novels may trend in that general direction but when you add in all the scientific imposiblities it`s still in the sci-fi or space opera as you call it. (Never did like that term. Makes is sound like they should all be singing.)
Trek`s actual science is very thin when it exists at all.
Trek`s actual science is very thin when it exists at all.
science fiction is any story that uses science in a fictional way or fictional science.
star trek is science fiction because it has transporters, warp drive, tricorders, phasers etc. etc.
star trek is science fiction because it has transporters, warp drive, tricorders, phasers etc. etc.
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