Archer gets the last laugh, at least in today's LilFormers comic.
Archer gets last laugh
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that's funny, but I still got my ENT,TNG,TNG movies,DS9,VOY and soon TOS remastered and TOS movie to watch as much as I want. Paramount may see the timeline we know dead, but if still on dvd it, its not
What? All of mine disappeared?! (I think I've used this joke too much now I'm retiring it.)
Nope.
Great comic.
Almost. I gave into temptation and saw it once, knowing full well what I was letting myself in for. You will have to see it once... it's sort of a mandatory thing, or else Paramount make you hand in your comm badge and renounce your fandom. It was also important to know what it was I'm rebelling against.
My feelings are mixed. Admiration (and a touch of bewilderment) at the kind of unquestioning acceptance this film has received. Vindication that there is an audience out there for something with a "Star Trek" label on it. In your face Leslie Moonves! Disappointment for creating an alternate reality, something I simply don't buy into the necessity of, because a) the long term implications it holds for anykind of future the old universe might've had on screen, now deep in the shadow of this proven alternate revenue stream, and b) technically I still haven't seen the faithful origin story that I imagined would be told, back when this was announced (ironically the 40th Anniversary). The characters of Kirk, Spock and McCoy are interesting and strong enough to carry a traditionally told prequel, without a time-travelling villain and without the need to create a divergent timeline that brings them altogether.
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So by remaining as spoiler free as you can, what has changed with the outcome of the movie? (I haven't seen it either...)
Wow. Spoiler free? I think I've said too much already. Although in a way, even if you were told everything... would it really matter?
It's like In A Mirror, Darkly from Enterprise. Fun, fresh, exciting, giving me a shot of nostalgia... while at the same time feeling completely empty. Why? Because to quote Captain Kirk in Generations: "Nothing here matters." It's an alternative to what happened, even going by the slightest hint of backstory dialogue from TOS. This film from my perspective changes nothing and that's my problem. Even while its threatening to lay waste to the icons I've loved all my life (even tragically succeeding in that goal about an hour in), I feel nothing. The best part of the film for me, were the early scenes involving Spock, whether he was being bullied as a child or thumbing his Vulcan nose up to possible acceptance into the Science Academy and choosing Starfleet instead. If only they had stuck that faithfully with their portrayal of Kirk, without the crap Nero landed his family history in. The movie succeeded for me during the moments I felt, yes... this could be really how it all began. But that was all too brief, because the writing team had to make their mark on it and not take the time to savour what a rich (but untapped) history Star Trek has and the joy of piecing it altogether in a way that, albeit unintentionally begins to make sense.
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That's awesome.Well... a lot. Basically, there are two timelines, the one we've followed all these years containing the whole Trekverse from ENT to NEM and the new one seen in the movie, which split off in 2133, moments before Kirk's birth. Events play out rather differently from there. Since the split occurred in 2133 ENT is the only Trek series existing in the new timeline. Also, Archer and his beagle are mentioned in the movie by Scotty.
It's funny you should mention "In the Mirror, Darkly", the new Trek movie is very similar to it. The Defiant goes thru an anomoly and ends up in a alternate universe in the past and the timeline in the alternate universe is altered so the characters we know are similar but not quite the same. I think Manny Coto and company are owed partial story credit. Along with whoever wrote TNG episode "parallels".
Well... a lot. Basically, there are two timelines, the one we've followed all these years containing the whole Trekverse from ENT to NEM and the new one seen in the movie, which split off in 2133, moments before Kirk's birth. Events play out rather differently from there. Since the split occurred in 2133 ENT is the only Trek series existing in the new timeline. Also, Archer and his beagle are mentioned in the movie by Scotty.
Split? Split how?
(Forget about the "spoiler free" thing...tell me everything...by PM if necessary.)
The timelines split because Nero travelled back in time from the 24th century to this point and destroyed the Kelvin, killing Kirk's father and also revealing what Romulans look like more than 30 years early...
There are notable divergences from the old timeline from that point on, too. So that's why it's rather unlikely that the 24th century Trek series will play out the same way. Hell, a lot of TOS will be different.
ENT, however, remains untouched by that and that's why Captain Archer gets the last laugh for once.
alternate parallel timelines are one of the oldest themes in sf.
they owe a special thanks to murray leinster whose sideways in time is the
grandaddy of them all.
garrett and turtledove are two of my favorite alternate history authors.
as far as trek before the enterprise episode was bixby's mirror mirror.
orci and kurtzman had a couple of reasons for doing what they did but the big one was to bring back the expectaiton of suspense without wiping out the prime time line . this way the fate of the characters is unknown but orci has already said a lot of the tos events will still or had happened. the doomsday machine is still out there for instance.
now we not see them in movies because this time line is set earlier but it does open it up for fiction.
really the things that have been affected are story lines relating back to vulcan, with amanda gone journey to babel though the need for the conference may still exist.
now we not see them in movies because this time line is set earlier but it does open it up for fiction.
really the things that have been affected are story lines relating back to vulcan, with amanda gone journey to babel though the need for the conference may still exist.
I could stare at the comic all day. I love how Janeway gets all angry and shouty. And Archer really did often talk to himself, so Picard's spot on. I can imagine Picard making such a dry remark.
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Cute comic. </clutches TOS and TNG DVDs>
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