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Archer gets last laugh

It's the double standard again. If B&B had used ENT to restart the entire Trekverse they'd get demonized (moreso), but when Abrams did it hardly anyone had a problem.
I am very much inclined to agree.
I beginning to believe that "you can do no wrong" when your characters are named "Kirk" and "Spock". I thought Enterprise was heads and shoulders better than what we got in STXI.
 
It's the double standard again. If B&B had used ENT to restart the entire Trekverse they'd get demonized (moreso), but when Abrams did it hardly anyone had a problem.

But Abrams didn't re-start the entire Trekverse. Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman just created a new Trekverse without touching the original.

And there's a reason that Abrams and Co. get to do stuff without being bitched for it: They can actually write well. B&B were burnt out by the time of ENT.
 
And there's a reason that Abrams and Co. get to do stuff without being bitched for it: They can actually write well. B&B were burnt out by the time of ENT.
Lots of people wrote for ENT, and I'm willing to bet that each of them got bitched out by some fans at some point. It wasn't just B&B.

I'm not sure I'm ready to give Abrams and Co. extra points for writing well. It was a good movie, yes, in my opinion. But they really didn't have to work from the ground up; they created an alternate universe with familiar enough characters and settings, not a never-before-seen one (and, as I've said before, borrowed some stuff from ENT). We the fans have filled in a lot of the unspoken background stuff for them. And, for what it's worth, it's a two- hour-and-change movie, not a series. Tight, fast-paced plotting, snappy dialogue, and oh-wow special effects are, in my opinion, easier to handle in a movie than in a series. I'll reserve judgment on their writing skillz for the next movie(s), if there are any, when character development and internal continuity come into play.

That said, I do think it was a good movie.
 
It's the double standard again. If B&B had used ENT to restart the entire Trekverse they'd get demonized (moreso), but when Abrams did it hardly anyone had a problem.
Really? Have you visited the Trek XI forum lately? ;)

But Abrams didn't re-start the entire Trekverse. Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman just created a new Trekverse without touching the original.
That's what I understood also, when I watched the film.

The reason Abrams and Co. got to "do stuff" with Trek is because they had a proven track record for making TV/films that were commercial successes. Big-budget moviemaking is a business. TPTB wouldn't have given the green light on the script and the film unless there had been agreement that this direction had a high probability of commercial success. And they were right.

Trek XI is like any other aspect of Trek. Even the most lauded episodes (and films) have their detractors; even the most despised episodes have their fans. It will be that way for TV and film until the end of time.

And yes, as has been said in other threads, writing for TV and for film are two very different animals. That being said, story structure is story structure, and effective stories in any medium depend on good storytelling.

And I really liked the comic. :)
 
It's the double standard again. If B&B had used ENT to restart the entire Trekverse they'd get demonized (moreso), but when Abrams did it hardly anyone had a problem.

But Abrams didn't re-start the entire Trekverse. Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman just created a new Trekverse without touching the original.
Well, except for the bit about Romulus being destroyed. But I guess it's even now, since Universe B has no Vulcan anymore. :p
 
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