Re: Anyone Else Unhappy With the Post Nemesis Novels & Direction of ST
No. Personally I'm quite content.
No. Personally I'm quite content.
Anyone Else Unhappy With the Post Nemesis Novels & Direction of ST?
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Re: Anyone Else Unhappy With the Post Nemesis Novels & Direction of ST
THANK YOU. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who saw it! I did feel like I was being whacked over the head with it. Like Star Trek fans can't have diverse opinions...
THANK YOU. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who saw it! I did feel like I was being whacked over the head with it. Like Star Trek fans can't have diverse opinions...
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I agree with Dayton3. There's been far too much conflict and far too many battles and wars in recent entries. I'm ready for the fiction to return to the tried and true hallmarks of Star Trek storytelling, such as exploration not only of space -- new live and new civilizations and all that jazz -- but also the characters and, indeed, even ourselves. I salute you for taking such a bold stand against the status quo. Bravo Zulu!
Oh, wait. Damn, that's not what you meant, is it?
I agree with Dayton3. There's been far too much conflict and far too many battles and wars in recent entries. I'm ready for the fiction to return to the tried and true hallmarks of Star Trek storytelling, such as exploration not only of space -- new live and new civilizations and all that jazz -- but also the characters and, indeed, even ourselves. I salute you for taking such a bold stand against the status quo. Bravo Zulu!
Oh, wait. Damn, that's not what you meant, is it?
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I also like how things have panned out with the TNG Relaunch - post the Destiny trilogy. If that had not been produced I reckon I would be a tad unhappy with the state of the TNG universe. Love the dynamics of the Picard/Crusher relationship - and it's about bloody time, too that that came into the novels, but I was beginning to weary of the Borg-centric nature of the books, to be frank.
However, Destiny brings that whole Borg-arc into perspective. So, I am happy and waiting breathlessly for Losing the Peace.
I also like how things have panned out with the TNG Relaunch - post the Destiny trilogy. If that had not been produced I reckon I would be a tad unhappy with the state of the TNG universe. Love the dynamics of the Picard/Crusher relationship - and it's about bloody time, too that that came into the novels, but I was beginning to weary of the Borg-centric nature of the books, to be frank.
However, Destiny brings that whole Borg-arc into perspective. So, I am happy and waiting breathlessly for Losing the Peace.
Re: Anyone Else Unhappy With the Post Nemesis Novels & Direction of ST
I would say that I am 90% satisfied with how things have gone for Trek Lit since Nemesis (which should have been a better film than it was).
My only problems:
-Voyager relaunch grinding to a halt and having to be re-relaunched
-The SLOW pace of the DS9-relaunch novels in the past 3 years, and how the series has now fallen way behind the rest of Trek Lit.
-New Frontier losing its direction (IMO)
-Letting Peter David write a non-NF novel
I would say that I am 90% satisfied with how things have gone for Trek Lit since Nemesis (which should have been a better film than it was).
My only problems:
-Voyager relaunch grinding to a halt and having to be re-relaunched
-The SLOW pace of the DS9-relaunch novels in the past 3 years, and how the series has now fallen way behind the rest of Trek Lit.
-New Frontier losing its direction (IMO)
-Letting Peter David write a non-NF novel
Re: Anyone Else Unhappy With the Post Nemesis Novels & Direction of ST
I honestly can't say I am unhappy with the direction in general. There may be minor specifics that I would take issue with but generally I have found the post Nemesis books a whole lot of fun. All the various series have different stories to tell and yet they are still Star Trek at the core. The continuity between series is really fanning my interest, and when I am reading the books I don't miss the TV shows quite as much because to me in this way the stories are still ongoing. Yes, things are different. The crews of the Enterprise, DS9 and Voy have changed and drastically in some ways and yet as I allow myself to change with them I find I can accept the direction that things have taken as long as they stay true the core values of what makes Star Trek Star Trek.
To me Star Trek is not Picard, or Sisko, or Janeway, or Kirk, or Archer. As much as I love those characters it would be unrealistic for me to think they can go along with no challenges or major life changes. Starfleet personnel transfer, are promoted, get demoted, have lives that interfere with their duties, death comes in and many other realistic scenarios come into the stories. These are necessary to add drama, and suspense, and a touch of reality. Too many people want to live in a fantasy world where everything is a bed of roses, and there is never any conflict or bad things that happen. That's fine to a degree if you want your heroes to be like 1960s TV, but it becomes rather dull after a while because you always know that in the end your heroes are always going to be fine.
TNG did a tremendous job with this very thing when they brought on the Borg in Best of Both Worlds and we saw that Picard would never, and I mean NEVER be the same man again. His experience was so impacting he became another man and yet he was still Jean Luc Picard. The books, have been very effective, in bringing this out, and culminating in what I personally consider to be one of the best Star Trek stories ever written...the Destiny trilogy.
As far as I am concerned the books "in general" not "specifically" are heading in a good direction. It's been a long time since I can't wait to get my hands on the next Star Trek book. Not to say that there have not been good books in the past, but consistently good books month after month is a whole other ballgame.
Thanks to all the current writers who have renewed my passion for Star Trek once again. I'm glad that I didn't give up on you all, like some here of late are saying they will do, or have done. Their loss as far as I'm concerned!
Kevin
I honestly can't say I am unhappy with the direction in general. There may be minor specifics that I would take issue with but generally I have found the post Nemesis books a whole lot of fun. All the various series have different stories to tell and yet they are still Star Trek at the core. The continuity between series is really fanning my interest, and when I am reading the books I don't miss the TV shows quite as much because to me in this way the stories are still ongoing. Yes, things are different. The crews of the Enterprise, DS9 and Voy have changed and drastically in some ways and yet as I allow myself to change with them I find I can accept the direction that things have taken as long as they stay true the core values of what makes Star Trek Star Trek.
To me Star Trek is not Picard, or Sisko, or Janeway, or Kirk, or Archer. As much as I love those characters it would be unrealistic for me to think they can go along with no challenges or major life changes. Starfleet personnel transfer, are promoted, get demoted, have lives that interfere with their duties, death comes in and many other realistic scenarios come into the stories. These are necessary to add drama, and suspense, and a touch of reality. Too many people want to live in a fantasy world where everything is a bed of roses, and there is never any conflict or bad things that happen. That's fine to a degree if you want your heroes to be like 1960s TV, but it becomes rather dull after a while because you always know that in the end your heroes are always going to be fine.
TNG did a tremendous job with this very thing when they brought on the Borg in Best of Both Worlds and we saw that Picard would never, and I mean NEVER be the same man again. His experience was so impacting he became another man and yet he was still Jean Luc Picard. The books, have been very effective, in bringing this out, and culminating in what I personally consider to be one of the best Star Trek stories ever written...the Destiny trilogy.
As far as I am concerned the books "in general" not "specifically" are heading in a good direction. It's been a long time since I can't wait to get my hands on the next Star Trek book. Not to say that there have not been good books in the past, but consistently good books month after month is a whole other ballgame.
Thanks to all the current writers who have renewed my passion for Star Trek once again. I'm glad that I didn't give up on you all, like some here of late are saying they will do, or have done. Their loss as far as I'm concerned!
Kevin
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What the fuck is this even supposed to mean? I know it's an accusation of some sort, but I can't figure out what the content of it is.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Not only that, they've hired mostly WOMEN to write the post-Endgame books (gasp). That must tell you something.
What the fuck is this even supposed to mean? I know it's an accusation of some sort, but I can't figure out what the content of it is.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
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What would this be?
And I'm really excited about Dayton Ward's
upcoming solo effort, as well.
What would this be?
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Dayton3 didn't ridicule you or anybody else with that statement. He merely stated his distaste for the show and that he wouldn't care if they got rid of it. You disagree, as do I, but that's still not a ridiculing.
Also, let's keep the dead Janeway debates in that thread.
And your desire to "eradicate" Voyager is consistent with the tone if not the letter of most of the biased people who post on this supposedly Star Trek friendly board. It is becoming increasingly clear that this is a Star Trek (not including Voyager) Board.
Read just a few of the Janeway threads here or on the Voyager forum, and you'll find that posters with your prejudices love to show up and take on an attitude that is usually juvenile, often derisive, and frequently bigoted toward Voyager and/or Janeway fans. There is no effort whatsoever to show respect for those of us who do like the series and the characters--we are fair game. And God forbid if we complain about it.
In fact, Janeway fans have been dismissed as a "small minority" by one of the Pocket Books writers who comes here for preening. I can't help but wonder whether that writer is speaking the party line at at Pocket Books, since the editors have neglected the series and misused the characters in the last eight years. Not only that, they've hired mostly WOMEN to write the post-Endgame books (gasp). That must tell you something.
What's wrong with fans wanting to read Voyager novels with Janeway alive and the Voyager crew intact? Why do you and others feel it necessary to ridicule them for that? You don't have to buy them.
Dayton3 didn't ridicule you or anybody else with that statement. He merely stated his distaste for the show and that he wouldn't care if they got rid of it. You disagree, as do I, but that's still not a ridiculing.
Also, let's keep the dead Janeway debates in that thread.
Nardpuncher
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Maybe something about Janeway being a woman and maybe the poster thinks only woman want to write about her. That's my guess.
Not only that, they've hired mostly WOMEN to write the post-Endgame books (gasp). That must tell you something.
What the fuck is this even supposed to mean? I know it's an accusation of some sort, but I can't figure out what the content of it is.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Maybe something about Janeway being a woman and maybe the poster thinks only woman want to write about her. That's my guess.
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Oh, I would love to pit you agaisnt the Disgruntled Janeway Fans (tm), on that one, Dayton3...Maybe the perfect foil for all those threads...
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Thank you.
And your desire to "eradicate" Voyager is consistent with the tone if not the letter of most of the biased people who post on this supposedly Star Trek friendly board. It is becoming increasingly clear that this is a Star Trek (not including Voyager) Board.
Read just a few of the Janeway threads here or on the Voyager forum, and you'll find that posters with your prejudices love to show up and take on an attitude that is usually juvenile, often derisive, and frequently bigoted toward Voyager and/or Janeway fans. There is no effort whatsoever to show respect for those of us who do like the series and the characters--we are fair game. And God forbid if we complain about it.
In fact, Janeway fans have been dismissed as a "small minority" by one of the Pocket Books writers who comes here for preening. I can't help but wonder whether that writer is speaking the party line at at Pocket Books, since the editors have neglected the series and misused the characters in the last eight years. Not only that, they've hired mostly WOMEN to write the post-Endgame books (gasp). That must tell you something.
What's wrong with fans wanting to read Voyager novels with Janeway alive and the Voyager crew intact? Why do you and others feel it necessary to ridicule them for that? You don't have to buy them.
Thank you.
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The fact that a female editor, Margaret, asked a male writer, Peter David, to kill off Janeway seems to defeat the arguments. Would it have been different if Marco had asked Kirsten Beyer to do so? Ah, well, that's kinda happening too!
So who does AuntKate feel trusting about, allowing them to write future VOY novels?
Re: Dayton3's desire to "eradicate" Voyager:
You know, we make a point of never agreeing with Dayton3. Now I'm really confused 'cos he's tarred with the same brush.
It's a trap. If only women ever write Janeway, then that's sexist will say the Janeway fans, and if only men write her - or indeed kill her off - then that's sexist, too.
The fact that a female editor, Margaret, asked a male writer, Peter David, to kill off Janeway seems to defeat the arguments. Would it have been different if Marco had asked Kirsten Beyer to do so? Ah, well, that's kinda happening too!
So who does AuntKate feel trusting about, allowing them to write future VOY novels?
Re: Dayton3's desire to "eradicate" Voyager:
You know, we make a point of never agreeing with Dayton3. Now I'm really confused 'cos he's tarred with the same brush.
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I'm not gonna go into the Janeway thing here because it's discussed at other threads but I'm a bit dissatisfied over the fact that so many of the main characters are missing in the TNG, DS9 and Voyager books and too many of them have been shipped around to different locations.
Not to mention that I strongly dislike that main characters from the series are killed off in the books.
I would have preferred to see as many main characters as possible at the right places in the different relaunches.
I'm not unhappy over the fact that the Borg are gone (I really hope that they are). All that was interesting with them started to fade already in TNG with the arrival of characters like Hugh and the Borg Queen and they became even more bland in Voyager.
It's time for new villains.
I'm not gonna go into the Janeway thing here because it's discussed at other threads but I'm a bit dissatisfied over the fact that so many of the main characters are missing in the TNG, DS9 and Voyager books and too many of them have been shipped around to different locations.
Not to mention that I strongly dislike that main characters from the series are killed off in the books.
I would have preferred to see as many main characters as possible at the right places in the different relaunches.
I'm not unhappy over the fact that the Borg are gone (I really hope that they are). All that was interesting with them started to fade already in TNG with the arrival of characters like Hugh and the Borg Queen and they became even more bland in Voyager.
It's time for new villains.
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For the record, Dayton3 should not be taken as representative of anyone or anything around here; he's consistently disagreeable and aggressive about most of his opinions, which are in general what I would call not fitting with Trek lore. He did recently, for instance, make a whole thread in which he complained about women being on board ships at all, since what he was really interested in was reading stories of male companionship, an opinion which not a single other person in that thread shared.
He has a right to his opinions of course, but using him as an example of any kind of trend around here is... doubtful, at best.
For the record, Dayton3 should not be taken as representative of anyone or anything around here; he's consistently disagreeable and aggressive about most of his opinions, which are in general what I would call not fitting with Trek lore. He did recently, for instance, make a whole thread in which he complained about women being on board ships at all, since what he was really interested in was reading stories of male companionship, an opinion which not a single other person in that thread shared.
He has a right to his opinions of course, but using him as an example of any kind of trend around here is... doubtful, at best.
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I have to say that I have not read many post Nemesis novels. I know I am in the minority when I say that "Death In The Winter" is one of the best TNG/Trek books I have read and I have read it twice already. I like it a lot. I have read "Greater Than The Sum" and it was okay. However, I am getting really, really, REALLY, bored with the Borg. How much longer are they gonna milk the Borg? That is the reason why I have not touched the Destiny books yet and I am still on the fence if I am going to touch them at all. That is one of the reasons I like DITW - it was refreshing to read some other stuff than Borgs flying around yet again.
Voyager relaunces were disappointing for me, though there are many good things in them, too. But overall, they were disappointing for me. Though Janeway is going to die in Full Circle, I am looking forward the book, because I like the author, and because that might be the last change to read about alive Janeway. *is somewhat sad*
I have to say that I have not read many post Nemesis novels. I know I am in the minority when I say that "Death In The Winter" is one of the best TNG/Trek books I have read and I have read it twice already. I like it a lot. I have read "Greater Than The Sum" and it was okay. However, I am getting really, really, REALLY, bored with the Borg. How much longer are they gonna milk the Borg? That is the reason why I have not touched the Destiny books yet and I am still on the fence if I am going to touch them at all. That is one of the reasons I like DITW - it was refreshing to read some other stuff than Borgs flying around yet again.
Voyager relaunces were disappointing for me, though there are many good things in them, too. But overall, they were disappointing for me. Though Janeway is going to die in Full Circle, I am looking forward the book, because I like the author, and because that might be the last change to read about alive Janeway. *is somewhat sad*
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And I promise, if "OMG not ANOTHER Borg story" is your only reason for avoiding Destiny, that you really really need to get over that and give it a shot. The heart and soul of the story is another tale that only intersects with the Borg invasion at the end, and that story is perhaps the greatest thing TrekLit has produced in many years. I cannot recommend it highly enough, and I'd say that to pretty much anyone without hesitation.
And I promise, if "OMG not ANOTHER Borg story" is your only reason for avoiding Destiny, that you really really need to get over that and give it a shot. The heart and soul of the story is another tale that only intersects with the Borg invasion at the end, and that story is perhaps the greatest thing TrekLit has produced in many years. I cannot recommend it highly enough, and I'd say that to pretty much anyone without hesitation.
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