Anyone Else Unhappy With the Post Nemesis Novels & Direction of ST?

[elaithin]

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I'm very please with the direction the story's going. I thought the A Time To... series did very well in justifying some of the more questionable aspects of Nemesis. The DS9 relaunch and Titan, of course, are golden. I like the Enterprise books far more than I ever enjoyed the television series. I was very dissatisfied with the Voyager relaunch, but I'm pleased with the way the Voyager characters are progressing forward as of Destiny and, hopefully, Full Circle. And Destiny was frickin' incredible.

Really, the only negative parts for me have been Homecoming, Farther Shore, Spirit Walk, Resistance, and some parts of Before Dishonor. I haven't been terribly pleased with the last couple New Frontier books, either. But on the whole, I'm very pleased with the direction of the book line.

 

[slappy]

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What are the three Borg-killer novels?

 

[captcalhoun]

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the Destiny trilogy Gods of Night, Mere Mortals and Lost Souls

 

[slappy]

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the Destiny trilogy Gods of Night, Mere Mortals and Lost Souls

thanx

 

[captcalhoun]

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pas de problem

 

[Thrawn]

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Really?

Vanguard has been the site of the most death and destruction of any of the Star Trek series, at least in terms of main/semi-main characters within that series. Why is it ok in that series but not in Destiny?

I'm not saying any of the editorial or creative decisions are wrong. On the contrary, they're all perfectly valid, and I don't really have a problem with them from that angle. They 're just not to my taste, which I'll admit, is completely arbitrary.

And that's the problem for me. For everything I like about the post-Nemesis novels, there's far more I don't. I like Titan (more death and destruction there, but that's never really been an issue for me) but aren't too keen on the direction they've taken with Tuvok. The DS9 Relaunch has been good, but I disliked the direction they took with Ezri. Same with Wesley and the Time To series.

So really I'm torn. I think there's some great writers working on these books, and I don't question the quality of their work at all. There's just too many things that aren't to my taste. No biggie, and I doubt anyone is going to lose any sleep over my opinion. Nor should they.

Fair enough; thank you for being so rational.

And if nothing else, I'll certainly agree with you that Vanguard is goddamn brilliant

 

[USS Intrepid]

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And if nothing else, I'll certainly agree with you that Vanguard is goddamn brilliant

It is at that.

 

[Marie1]

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Oh I didn't care about Janeway being killed.

In fact, I would be all for not only Janeway being dead and forgotten but Voyager, its entire crew and Ezri Dax as well.

They should've used the opportunity to eradicate Voyager from Star Trek in its entirety.

I never thought of that... that would have been even better!!!

 

[Therin of Andor]

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Is there anyone else here who for whatever reasons doesn't like the general direction and tone of post Nemesis Star Trek? As told in the novels?

But you weren't happy with the direction before "Nemesis"?

I thought I remembered you saying that no Star Trek novels have appealed to you - because they always spend too much time on characterization and exploration and not enough time having huge space battles?

Or is this a different Dayton3?

 

[Idoliside]

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it's TYPHON Idolslide, not TYPHOID...

My bad! I suppose a typhoid pact won't last that long really.

 

[DanTheGrey]

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Having just read Resistance, Death Before Dishonor, Greater than the Sum and the Destiny trilogy in the last month I can certainly say I am *not* displeased with the direction post Nemesis in terms of the novels.

Between the Titan series and Vanguard novels that basically brought me back into reading Trek novels regularly after a decade of not reading any except for Federation I can certainly say that I really do appreciate the novels. While I have some issues with the DS9 relaunch books in places I can say that I really enjoyed the Destiny trilogy and from the books I've been able to piece together from used shops for the "A Time To..." series I am happier with the TNG universe than First Contact, and happier with the Voyager side of things since Year of Hell/Scorpion.

I just need to scour the used shops for New Frontier novels or pony up for some LIT versions of the ebooks if they're still available.

 

[donners22]

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I've dropped out of all the relaunches bar Enterprise. There's just nothing that I've seen to keep me interested in the novels. I was really put off by the A Time To series, so I never gave TNG much of a chance, but I tried Voyager and DS9 and lost interest.

I suppose the key distinction is that Enterprise had a lot of ground still to be covered, while the other series really were concluded in canon.

 

[ClayinCA]

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And if nothing else, I'll certainly agree with you that Vanguard is goddamn brilliant

It is at that.

Count me in on that one as well. I just found the most recent one in a box, where it had gotten packed right before I moved house in 2007, and was overjoyed to finally be able to start reading it (not to mention getting to talk to David Mack about it at New York Comic-Con this weekend). And I'm really excited about Dayton Ward's upcoming solo effort, as well.

 

[Thrawn]

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I've dropped out of all the relaunches bar Enterprise. There's just nothing that I've seen to keep me interested in the novels. I was really put off by the A Time To series, so I never gave TNG much of a chance, but I tried Voyager and DS9 and lost interest.

I suppose the key distinction is that Enterprise had a lot of ground still to be covered, while the other series really were concluded in canon.

I've found the DS9 relaunch to be a consistently creative and unique series; I wouldn't quite call it "season 8 of DS9" in the way that the ENT relaunch feels like "season 5 of ENT", as it's different enough to almost be considered another series altogether, but I'm surprised you lost interest. I thought there were more than enough interesting stories to be told.

Again, IDIC, I suppose.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

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I'm afraid I've dropped out of all but a few arcs in the relaunch, though I started out loving them all. Nowadays, I'm really only following Titan, and the Cardassian arc--not even the whole DS9 relaunch like I used to follow.

I think I first started sensing a problem when New Frontier came along...that felt like a farce rather than real Star Trek and to this day I think giving Peter David that kind of slack was a mistake.

Over time, I think that same tendency for some truly outlandish plotlines spilled over into the other series. I was able to handle the parasite-invasion thing, but the whole Mirror Universe arc in the DS9 relaunch, I can't stand.

I was also not a fan of some things I saw in the TNG relaunch as needless political jabs. To me, while I understood why what Min Zife was doing was bad...the whole thing read like somebody's Bush assassination fantasy and to me that was a HUGE turnoff: I don't care how much you disagree with someone...DON'T wish them dead. DON'T write thinly-veiled death fantasies. And the whole God-is-dead bit in "Olympus Descending"...sheesh, what a tired old thing to do.

I also find that I miss the freedom the older books had...especially some of the oldest like Diane Duane's TOS works. Even in Duane's own work, I can tell the difference between how she wrote when she truly had creative freedom and when she was under excessive restrictions (i.e. Intellivore). I think it would be nice to see someone get that kind of freedom again (NOT Peter David, thank you--he abuses it).

 

[Hartzilla2007]

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I think the current novels ROCK!

 

[AuntKate]

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Oh I didn't care about Janeway being killed.

In fact, I would be all for not only Janeway being dead and forgotten but Voyager, its entire crew and Ezri Dax as well.

They should've used the opportunity to eradicate Voyager from Star Trek in its entirety.

And your desire to "eradicate" Voyager is consistent with the tone if not the letter of most of the biased people who post on this supposedly Star Trek friendly board. It is becoming increasingly clear that this is a Star Trek (not including Voyager) Board.

Read just a few of the Janeway threads here or on the Voyager forum, and you'll find that posters with your prejudices love to show up and take on an attitude that is usually juvenile, often derisive, and frequently bigoted toward Voyager and/or Janeway fans. There is no effort whatsoever to show respect for those of us who do like the series and the characters--we are fair game. And God forbid if we complain about it.

In fact, Janeway fans have been dismissed as a "small minority" by one of the Pocket Books writers who comes here for preening. I can't help but wonder whether that writer is speaking the party line at at Pocket Books, since the editors have neglected the series and misused the characters in the last eight years. Not only that, they've hired mostly WOMEN to write the post-Endgame books (gasp). That must tell you something.

What's wrong with fans wanting to read Voyager novels with Janeway alive and the Voyager crew intact? Why do you and others feel it necessary to ridicule them for that? You don't have to buy them.

 

[William Leisner]

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Could someone adjust the needle on that broken record...?

 

[Nardpuncher]

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My thing is I miss the old days on the Enterprise-D with all the crew together.

I found the idea of Dax a Captain a little hard to swallow...it felt like when we saw Nog in command...odd to me.

 

[donners22]

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I was also not a fan of some things I saw in the TNG relaunch as needless political jabs. To me, while I understood why what Min Zife was doing was bad...the whole thing read like somebody's Bush assassination fantasy and to me that was a HUGE turnoff: I don't care how much you disagree with someone...DON'T wish them dead. DON'T write thinly-veiled death fantasies. And the whole God-is-dead bit in "Olympus Descending"...sheesh, what a tired old thing to do.

Not to mention a couple of books that were the most tedious, sledgehammer Iraq war parallel I could imagine. They made "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" look subtle.