Anybody have a 35mm clip from Court Martial?

[Falconer]

Excelsior, of course!

 

[ChallengerHK]

In the episode they say they say "all four of the craft" are still there. We can assume the Enterprise has at least 7, since that is the Gallileo's number.

I don't think that's a given either. It could be that the shuttlecraft were originally numbered 1 through 4 and then three of them were lost. They could be named Galileo 1 through Galileo 7. Too many alternatives.

My original point, though, was that we see less than 10% of the deck space of the Exeter, aqnd based on that little glimpse I don't think we can state categorically that it's identical to Enterprise.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

With all due respect, that's an opinion. There's a lot more that we didn't see (of both the Enterprise and the Exeter) than what we did see. For example, what do the sensor bays look like in each? Does Exeter's phaser control look like Enterprise's? Does Exeter carry the same embarked craft?

Why assume there were any differences when none ever appeared on screen no matter the location, and no character ever claimed any differences existed? Interiors for the Constitution, Lexington, Defiant and yes, Exeter all match that of the Enterprise, because they were all meant to be identical ships of a specific class.

As for the viewmaster description, at the risk of using a dirty word, not canon. I would bet that the people creating that description never consulted Roddenberry or Jeffries.

Sawyers/GAF did not just create their 3D reels of TV or movie subjects with no involvement from the production companies; as a direct marketing product of the series, all TV and movies subjects--including Star Trek--had direct involvement with Sawyers/GAF. Roddenberry picked "The Omega Glory" to be the episode Sawyers would capture as a 3D reel set; additionally, Sawyers had the original script supplied by Roddenberry's Norway Corporation, hence the reason certain characters in the booklet, such as a "Lt. Raintree" were a part of the story when originally written as a possible second pilot long before the filmed version. By the time the Sawyers photographers were on set during the production of "The Omega Glory", Raintree had become Lt. Galloway, but this change was not reflected in the View-Master booklet.

So, the View-Master 3D reel set was as close to the TOS production as any external company/artists were going to get in the 1960s, thus the information in booklet comes straight from the source.

 

[ChallengerHK]

Why assume there were any differences when none ever appeared on screen no matter the location, and no character ever claimed any differences existed? Interiors for the Constitution, Lexington, Defiant and yes, Exeter all match that of the Enterprise, because they were all meant to be identical ships of a specific class.
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I'm not assuming that there's a difference. I'm saying that we can't assume that there's not a difference. Again, I'd say we've seen about 10% of the Enterprise, and much less than that of the Exeter. We don't have enought data to claim that they're identical.

I own a 73 Dodge Challenger. It came with the smallest V8 available at the time. It's purpose was to look good and handle fairly well, while still being somewhat frugal on gas. However, in 1970 you could get a 426 Hemi (incorrectly assumed by most to be a drag-racing motor but really made for higher top speed). My car has an automatic, but 3- and 4-speeds could be had in 1970.

Superficially the 1970s and 1973s are very similar, and people who didn't know much about cars from, say, 30 feet away would assume that they're the same car. The body shell is roughly 95% identical. The marker lights are different, and the header panels and tail panels are different. The interior upholstery is different, and while the instrument cluster is similar, there are font and color differences.

in other words, what looks identical at a cursory glance may not be identical.

 

[Henoch]

Any theories on which one would be 1718?

I would make it the Endeavor, so it is fairly canon neutral.

 

[Maurice]

Ships of the same class are not feature for feature identical, but the engine room of a carriers of two different classes are not going to look the same, whereas those of the same class will be much more similar and closer to identical.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Ships of the same class are not feature for feature identical, but the engine room of a carriers of two different classes are not going to look the same, whereas those of the same class will be much more similar and closer to identical.

Yep. The whole reason we even talk about the Enterprise having "identical" sisters is that it was necessary from a Production standpoint to use the standing sets and the 11-foot miniature to portray other ships.

But wherever possible, little changes were effected to the interior sets of a different ship. The lighting would be very different, the Lexington's captain's chair had the tall back attachment, things like that. They did what they could to show it was slightly different.

 

[alchemist]

FYI, here are some relevant extracts from The Omega Glory’s revised final draft shooting script (December 15, 1967):

From the teaser, when the Enterprise encounters the Exeter:

INSERT – SHIP’S VIEWING SCREEN
Planet still in b. g. Another object being overtaken,
growing in size until recognizable as a space ship
identical in configuration to the U.S.S. Enterprise.
It is the U.S.S Exeter in orbit (U.S.S. Enterprise
flopped) about Omega IV.

Then later in the teaser:

INT. EXETER – ENGINEERING SECTION
Similar to the same room on the U.S.S. Enterprise,
with enough changes in color, dressing and lighting
to make it easily obvious this is the other ship…

From Act I:

INT. EXETER BRIDGE – CLOSE SHOT – HELM CONTROLS
As a hand expertly adjusts the controls, then CAMERA
PULLING BACK to reveal Lt. Raintree at the station.
The Exeter’s bridge is similar to the U.S.S. Enter-
prise, with enough changes (use lighting) to maintain
its own identity…

 

[Henoch]

Then later in the teaser:

I didn't notice any changes to the Engineering set, then again, my attention was focused on all the crystallized crewmen laying dead around the set. Yikes! Re-looking at the set on TrekCore, the lighting is darker/shadowed and a monitor is put in the foreground, but that's about it:

I aways knew they were on a different ship because they said they on a different ship.